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The Homestead Firearm
For those of you that have decided you may need a firearm as one of the tools on your homestead here is an article on my blog you might like to read.
http://wildedtx.blogspot.com/2008/04...d-firearm.html
Enjoy, ET 
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04/10/08, 10:07 AM
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Thanks Ed. Nice blog and timely, too. I had a very uncomfortable situation last night where it looked like someone was trying to follow me home. Got me thinking our current security set-up.
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04/10/08, 03:15 PM
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Ed, Excellent job. Well written, and well argued. I completely agree with your comparison of guns to other tools. Not only does that bring home the need for a gun for each purpose, it also alleviates the irrational fears of the anti-gun crowd when thinking of guns strictly as "weapons". None of my guns has ever served as a weapon, but they have all served flawlessly as tools around my homestead. Thank you for posting your article.
Russ
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04/10/08, 04:36 PM
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Congrats, and nicely done.
I also agree with your choices.
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04/10/08, 09:10 PM
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Good job.
Enjoyed the article very much.
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04/10/08, 09:39 PM
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Sorry, but.... I don't totally agree! You could have eliminated two of those guns for the use of one. The Savage Over&Under. 22 rifle on top with a shotgun on bottom.
I'm not into assult rifle's so I can't give you my opinion on that one.
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04/10/08, 10:21 PM
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Remember on the savage the shotgun was only available in 20 or 410 neither as effective as the twelve and not near the range or killing abilty. A scope mount is not feasable for long shots on the savage. It is for all purposes a single shot in each barrel, a second shot of either is to slow. I see it as an additional tool but do not believe it replaces any of those discussed. It is also no longer listed in the Savage catalog. If you feel comfortable with that firearm as your main tool then by all means that is what you should use. All of us have some favorite tools, just like my old blackpowder squirrel rifle. JMHO
Last edited by wilded; 04/10/08 at 10:25 PM.
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04/11/08, 06:45 AM
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Good choices. I would also add something in a larger caliber, say .308 or 30.06. Very common calibers, although getting a little expensive to practice with.
Whatever you choose, practice, practice, practice. Become comfortable with each one. Above all practice safety.
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04/11/08, 09:03 AM
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Hey.
Add "Streetsweeper" to the list...good for self defense and clearing out pesky varmints.
RF
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04/11/08, 09:08 AM
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Remember, my article is for those just begining to acquire a tool set. Some people just keep adding tools to the box.
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04/11/08, 09:08 AM
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I really really like a .22. It will kill pigs, cows, and varmints, and is inexpensive to use.
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04/11/08, 09:14 AM
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The .22 has been proven through time although I have see predators take multiple .22 hits and keep on going. Remember it looses power really quick at distance. I would not want to face a bear or rabid coyote with a .22 unless that was all I had. JMHO
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04/11/08, 09:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wilded
The .22 has been proven through time although I have see predators take multiple .22 hits and keep on going. Remember it looses power really quick at distance. I would not want to face a bear or rabid coyote with a .22 unless that was all I had. JMHO
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I wouldnt want to face a bear with a .22 either.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by michiganfarmer
I wouldnt want to face a bear with a .22 either.
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The bears I know don't need .22's... they're bad enough already...  [sorry, Ernie, I couldn't resist]
As far as shooting a bear, I'd prefer not to. If I had to, I'd probably go with the old reliable 12ga magnum with the first three shots being slugs, and the last four being 00 buckshot. (That's the setup I used while working the backcountry out at Bering Land Bridge... and Denali as a backup to a bear researcher).
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04/11/08, 11:01 AM
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In doing safety demos for my shot gunning classes I use to place a 10 pound block of Ice on a table and shoot it from a distance of 5 feet with a 1 1/8 ounce light skeet load. The block of ice would totally disintegrate and impress the class with the power of a 12 gauge shotgun. If you have the nerve to wait until that bear is 5 feet or less from you any 12 gauge load will remove its head even a #9 shot bird load. The power of a 12 gauge is awesome so remember that when you have one in your hands. ET 
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04/11/08, 12:27 PM
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a .410/.22 over-under is an awesome gun. .410 slugs are great for deer and the shot is adequate for small game of all types...as is the .22. it may not be the best home protection weapon as it is a single shot, but it is a great all around gun.
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04/11/08, 02:25 PM
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<PET PEEVE WARNING>
<RANT MODE ON>
A .410 should be considered an experts weapon. I've seen a few kids ruined to shotgunning because some yahoo thought they'd give the kid a shotgun that didn't kick so. The shot string and pattern of a .410 is so small you must be a very good, if not expert, shot to hit a moving target with it.
If you don't believe me take a .410 out to a range and shoot a few clay targets with it.
There are very, very few niches that a .410 will fill.
<RANT MODE OFF>
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Box O' Truth
You want to see what a Skeet load, or a Buckshot load will do on Barricade shooting?? Or through Dry-wall, in a House??
Check out the Shotgun Box O' Truth at:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm
Box O' Truth gives you Penetration on Various Handgun and .22 LR also.
It sure dispels some Myths.
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Well I don't know about advocating a new person to firearms on getting a AR-15, and having them expending up to 40 rounds downrange... I carried a M-16A1 in the Marine Corps, and I really don't care much for the 5.56mm (.223) round ballistics.
I tend to like the larger calibers myself, and a 12 gauge shotgun (for those of us larger folks, I'm 6'4" tall). If I expect to run into the neighborhood bear, I tend to carry a bayonet tipped .30-06 Springfield or 7.62X54 Russian caliber military surplus weapon. That or my .357 magnum or .45 a.c.p. pistols. A .22LR would only annoy the bear, as to my opinion of that round.
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Old John, that was a good article you posted there. I don't guess I want to be bear hunting with my little old Over&Under while using birdshots. I have killed medium sized dogs using buckshots with no problem. Other then gettin cussed ou by the owner of the dog! But if I run into a bear I'll do what I can to get away from him before it turns on me and I have to use whatever shot I've got in the gun.
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