Home schooling people beware

oldmanriver · #1 03/07/08, 10:18 AM

So here we go once again the guberment knows whats best http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../MNJDVF0F1.DTL

dnw826 · #2 03/07/08, 12:29 PM

I saw this. That's crazy.

SimplerTimez · #3 03/07/08, 12:38 PM

I don't homeschool, but I wish that I had. The chilling part of this article lies in this quote, in my opinion:

"'A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare,' the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue."

Excuse me, but what in the heck does a credentialed instructor have to do with THAT goal above? Nothing. They just want our kids under their control. It has nothing to do with quality of education (most homeschoolers I've had the pleasure of meeting are far more educated and versatile than the average child); it has to do with control of our children.

This really upsets me and I don't homeschool; but YOU should have the right to do so.

(puts away soapbox)

Scrounger · #4 03/07/08, 12:39 PM

Sometimes I am glad we have no kids. I'd be in jail and they'd be wards of the sate anyway.....

triana1326 · #5 03/07/08, 12:41 PM

That's a very dangerous precedent being set by the state - watch out for the spreading of these types of laws...

longshadowfarms · #6 03/07/08, 12:53 PM

Whether you homeschool or not, PLEASE consider going to www.hslda.org (Homeschool Legal Defense Assn) and signing the petition! You don't need to be a member to sign. This is a HUGE erosion of our liberties in this country!

SimplerTimez · #7 03/07/08, 01:12 PM

Over under Countryside Families there is a detailed discussion of this particular case; everyone should take a look at the actual issues present in thisparticular case, aside from our dislike of the law issues.

longshadowfarms · #8 03/07/08, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SimplerTimez

Over under Countryside Families there is a detailed discussion of this particular case; everyone should take a look at the actual issues present in thisparticular case, aside from our dislike of the law issues.

Despite the particular case (which really does sound bad), the HSing issue itself is still at stake. The way the ruling was worded and published, it applies to EVERY HSing family in CA. From HSLDA:

The Court could have restricted its decision to the facts before it, but instead, it issued a broad ruling that effectively outlaws home education in California. The Court also certified its decision for publication, which means that the decision can now be cited as legal authority by all other courts in California.

The family and their California counsel are planning to appeal to the Supreme Court of California, which could result in reversal.

Another option to keep homeschooling free in California is to petition the Supreme Court of California to “depublish” the opinion. If the opinion is “depublished” then it cannot be used by other California courts and this threat to homeschool freedom will be neutralized for other California homeschoolers.

HSLDA will be formally petitioning the California Supreme Court to depublish the opinion. We would like to show that many other people, both in California and across the country, care deeply about homeschool freedom in California.

RichieC · #9 03/07/08, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by longshadowfarms

Despite the particular case (which really does sound bad), the HSing issue itself is still at stake. The way the ruling was worded and published, it applies to EVERY HSing family in CA. From HSLDA:

The Court could have restricted its decision to the facts before it, but instead, it issued a broad ruling that effectively outlaws home education in California. The Court also certified its decision for publication, which means that the decision can now be cited as legal authority by all other courts in California.

The family and their California counsel are planning to appeal to the Supreme Court of California, which could result in reversal.

Another option to keep homeschooling free in California is to petition the Supreme Court of California to “depublish” the opinion. If the opinion is “depublished” then it cannot be used by other California courts and this threat to homeschool freedom will be neutralized for other California homeschoolers.

HSLDA will be formally petitioning the California Supreme Court to depublish the opinion. We would like to show that many other people, both in California and across the country, care deeply about homeschool freedom in California.

The bolded is a lie. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the word for it. What HSLDA is saying is simply not true.

Go read the decision itself.

kwagner21 · #10 03/07/08, 02:51 PM

i'll give you that that is an exaggeration. i'm sure they are just trying to make their point. but the decision does make it unfeasible for the average person to homeschool their kids. you need teaching credentials to teach them, so what, unless you are a teacher to begin with you can't teach them? and as someone else was saying even if you taught in another state, you can't teach them. if they were so concerned with the kids, just check on them, have them go to classes 1x a week or month or something, if they are concerned with the education, as far as i understand it, the kids are still expected to pass standardized tests. i'm sorry, with the number of problems in our public schools i don't blame people for wanting to home school.and i hate to bring it up, but what about the amish schools? do they have teaching credentials? anyone know??

jc12551 · #11 03/07/08, 03:12 PM

I am a public school teacher and this law scares me. I have teaching credentials, but I wouldn't be a good homeschool mom (I've tried). We have teachers in schools who have no teaching credentials when they start (called lateral entry).

LagoVistaFarm · #12 03/07/08, 04:25 PM

Arnold thinks it's a bad ruling:

Schwarzenegger denounces 'outrageous' homeschooling ruling

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...G0SD.DTL&tsp=1

The home schooled kids I've had contact with are such superior humans that it would be ashamed to put them through systems like the LA schools.

Callieslamb · #13 03/07/08, 07:48 PM

there is also the fact that they ruled a private religious school not acceptable in this case either. Only public schools will do.

Hum?????

TundraGypsy · #14 03/07/08, 11:59 PM

Thank you longshadowsarms for the website to sign the petition. My daughter homeschools my four grandchildren and they are the darn smartest little kids I've ever seen.

She works with the local Charter school and has a teacher come out every so often to see that the kids are learning the material they need for their current grade. This year the grandkids are getting involved in 4-H for homeschoolers; they are sooo excited.

hoggie · #15 03/08/08, 02:24 AM

"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.

WHOA - that's a statement and a half. What happened to freedom???

hoggie

HermitJohn · #16 03/08/08, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrounger

Sometimes I am glad we have no kids. I'd be in jail and they'd be wards of the sate anyway.....

Me too, either that or I would be raising them in a 3rd world country where the powers that be are too busy stuffing American and European bribes (aide) into their personal Swiss bank accounts to ever be concerned whether children, especially foreign children, go to school. Its bad when some corrupt tin pot dictator government offers more defacto freedom than our own.