New Ebay Fees

PA_MIKE · #1 01/29/08, 06:23 PM

Looks like Ebay is at it again. What's everyone's opinion? Looks like the seller can not leave negatives??? Why can't they just leave well enough alone?

SHELBY · #2 01/29/08, 07:09 PM

Not being able to leave neg's for buyers that deserve it, is a load of bull.

I don't leave retalitory neg's, only ever gotten one, and the buyer left feedback for the wrong seller about the item she received, I sold her a model car and she left a neg for the quilt being more worn than described.

I left her a pos, because she paid quickly and all. I didn't feel it was right to leave her a neg in return, it was a mistake. That was like 5 years ago now and 800 feedback ago so it doesn't bother me.

I can see where Ebay is trying to help, but it really is only going to hurt the sellers in the long run, I think.

How are you going to know if a buyer is a nut case, if the previous sellers they hurt, can't say anything about it?

sisterpine · #3 01/29/08, 07:37 PM

I just read the notice and it does not say buyers cannot leave neg...just that they must wait three days to allow time for communication between buyer and seller.

As far as buyers leaving negative feedback..I just read it again and did not see that mentioned?

It is nice to get the lower insertion fees etc. Every little penny saved is a penny saved, sis

DaveinPA · #4 01/29/08, 07:52 PM

Yes, the lower insertion fees are great, but not the rise in final value fees to 8.75%. You may save a few pennies on listing the item but will give more money to them in the end.

SHELBY · #5 01/29/08, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterpine

I just read the notice and it does not say buyers cannot leave neg...just that they must wait three days to allow time for communication between buyer and seller.

As far as buyers leaving negative feedback..I just read it again and did not see that mentioned?

It is nice to get the lower insertion fees etc. Every little penny saved is a penny saved, sis

Not buyers, sellers.

quietstar · #6 01/30/08, 08:52 AM

As a regular Buyer on Ebay from the beginning, I've noticed Sellers have a growing inclination to make excess profit on shipping charges, rather than the real value of their item. When I come across this attempt at gouging, I pass on by. There will soon be a similar or better item offered by an honest Seller. Fact is, a Rip Off Artist cannot be trusted, even in the description of what they have for sale. Good, honest Sellers have little to worry about from Buyers feedback...Glen

gran26 · #7 01/30/08, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by quietstar

As a regular Buyer on Ebay from the beginning, I've noticed Sellers have a growing inclination to make excess profit on shipping charges, rather than the real value of their item. When I come across this attempt at gouging, I pass on by. There will soon be a similar or better item offered by an honest Seller. Fact is, a Rip Off Artist cannot be trusted, even in the description of what they have for sale. Good, honest Sellers have little to worry about from Buyers feedback...Glen

I have also seen some auctions which have excessive charges for shipping; however, shipping costs are very high and what might seem excessive is not necessarily so. Last year the USPS impleted a surcharge
on boxes over a certain size (I think for priority it is 12 x 12 x 12 - a little
larger for parcel post); if you package your items securely the 12 x 12
doesnt hold much. When you start adding the surcharge the prices
go up quickly. A seller must be very careful when quoting shipping or
they can lose what little profit might be made from the sale.

As far as the feedback change - I totally disagree with that.
I know there are scammers selling on Ebay as there is everywhere in life;
but there are also buyers that try to scam the sellers.
Buyer feedback allows the seller to be aware of who they are
dealing with prior to making the final sale. Hopefully Ebay will
not change the ability for the seller to cancel bids from
buyers with past problems. Of course after a year the seller
will not know who those are.

**clovis** · #8 01/30/08, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by quietstar

As a regular Buyer on Ebay from the beginning, I've noticed Sellers have a growing inclination to make excess profit on shipping charges, rather than the real value of their item. When I come across this attempt at gouging, I pass on by. There will soon be a similar or better item offered by an honest Seller. Fact is, a Rip Off Artist cannot be trusted, even in the description of what they have for sale. Good, honest Sellers have little to worry about from Buyers feedback...Glen

I never, ever gouge on my shipping. Maybe this is why some of my stuff sells so well.
Clove

unregistered29228 · #9 01/30/08, 12:41 PM

I'm also careful to only charge what the actual shipping costs. I always have boxes in the garage I can re-use, so I can't see charging someone for "handling". I had to learn the hard way to weigh my box and use the eBay calculator to see what shipping costs will be before listing it. And when I'm buying something, I'm like the other posters - if the seller charges too much for shipping, I move on. I'm not happy about the increased final value fees, but I have to admit there's no bigger audience than eBay to sell things.

EasyDay · #10 01/30/08, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by quietstar

Good, honest Sellers have little to worry about from Buyers feedback...Glen

That is not always the case.
I had one bad experience with a "nun". I knew it was going to end up bad when she started out by saying, "Go ahead and mail the item, and I'll get the money order off to you soon. You can trust me, I'm a nun of the "such-n-such" order." I told her that I couldn't do that, and it went downhill from there. She was the only negative (and no neutrals) I've ever had and because I don't do a lot of ebaying (selling OR buying), I only have like a 98.6%.

EasyDay · #11 01/30/08, 02:27 PM

It depends on what I'm selling whether I charge a handling fee. If I have the box and/or packing material on hand (read: not purchased by me), then I charge actual shipping. But with my stained glass items, I sometimes have to have just the "right" materials to ensure its safe arrival. I realize that insurance would cover any breakage, but my goal is to deliver the item in one piece... NOT to collect the insurance. I never charge more than a buck or two for handling... again, based on the fragility of the item.

Jim S. · #12 01/30/08, 02:33 PM

removed cuz I read the eBay notice wrong

michiganfarmer · #13 01/30/08, 02:59 PM

What irritates me is when I buy something, pay for it instantly, but dont get feedback untill after I leave it for the seller.

My part is done!

I earned good feedback!

They are waiting to see what I say before they leave feedback. They are basiclly saying that I wont get good feedback if they dont like the feedback I leave them. They wanna play games? I spent 4 years in the marine corps. I know how to play games. I give neutral feedback to sellers like that.
The seller is earning the feedback they recieve.

I will have it my way

zukgod · #14 01/30/08, 03:47 PM

it's not really cool to leave neutral maybe the seller just has not had time to leave feedback, remember we have lives to. I sell as a business on ebay and try to leave feedback as soon as someone pays but sometimes life gets in the way.

CraftyDiva · #15 01/30/08, 04:12 PM

Ebay seems to be getting (or has gotten) too big for it's britches. It's like they're sitting in the office and figuring ways to see just how much they can push the limit and get away with. Since they seem to be the only show in town (for the moment) they can get away with it. Depending on what your trying to sell, there are other outlets to use, jiust have to search them out. For now eBay has the traffic and that's one of thier selling points, ,millions shop eBay. There is no other site that has that amount of exposure for sellers. So people just grin and bear whatever Ebay throws at them.
Has anyone tried Yahoo auctions? Are they any better? You could always sell on Craigslist.org No fees at all, downside no protection for seller or buyer in case of a dispute.

PA_MIKE · #16 01/30/08, 06:29 PM

I am a seller. And I only leave feedback once it has been left for me. I have been burned too many times. It is too easy the other way for the buyer to leave you a negative if they are unhappy verses negotioating a soultion.

**clovis** · #17 01/30/08, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by michiganfarmer

What irritates me is when I buy something, pay for it instantly, but dont get feedback untill after I leave it for the seller.

My part is done!

I earned good feedback!

They are waiting to see what I say before they leave feedback. They are basiclly saying that I wont get good feedback if they dont like the feedback I leave them. They wanna play games? I spent 4 years in the marine corps. I know how to play games. I give neutral feedback to sellers like that.
The seller is earning the feedback they recieve.

I will have it my way

I never leave feedback for the buyer until they have left it for me. This is the way I know they recieved the item and are happy with it.

This, in my opinion, is saying to the customer, "The deal isn't done until you are happy with the transaction." I want my customers to be happy with my product.

I have 740 positives, no negs.

Clove

stonykill · #18 01/31/08, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michiganfarmer

What irritates me is when I buy something, pay for it instantly, but dont get feedback untill after I leave it for the seller.

My part is done!

I earned good feedback!

They are waiting to see what I say before they leave feedback. They are basiclly saying that I wont get good feedback if they dont like the feedback I leave them. They wanna play games? I spent 4 years in the marine corps. I know how to play games. I give neutral feedback to sellers like that.
The seller is earning the feedback they recieve.

I will have it my way

the feedback system is voluntary, not a mandatory requirement.

let me repeat that for you. It's voluntary! An ebayer is NOT required to leave feedback at all!

If you are the type of buyer who will get upset over something as silly as not getting feedback as quickly as you think you should, you are a not a good buyer in my eyes. If that upsets you, you are going to be hard to please in all aspects.

Here is an example. A buyer years ago left me a positive feedback BUT in the note section made a snide comment that I didn't leave them feedback. Well the reason I hadn't is my daughter had just died, and leaving feedback was the furthest thing from my mind. And I told them so, then blocked them.

Buyers like you are the reason that the new feedback system is going to fail miserably.

Over the last 5 or so years I can count the # of time I have left a neg for a buyer, and they deserved it. Other buyers needed to be warned.

michiganfarmer · #19 01/31/08, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stonykill

the feedback system is voluntary, not a mandatory requirement.

let me repeat that for you. It's voluntary! An ebayer is NOT required to leave feedback at all!

If you are the type of buyer who will get upset over something as silly as not getting feedback as quickly as you think you should, you are a not a good buyer in my eyes. If that upsets you, you are going to be hard to please in all aspects.

Here is an example. A buyer years ago left me a positive feedback BUT in the note section made a snide comment that I didn't leave them feedback. Well the reason I hadn't is my daughter had just died, and leaving feedback was the furthest thing from my mind. And I told them so, then blocked them.

Buyers like you are the reason that the new feedback system is going to fail miserably.

Over the last 5 or so years I can count the # of time I have left a neg for a buyer, and they deserved it. Other buyers needed to be warned.

right. see? its always the same thing. excuses, excuses. No integrity. no grit to get the job done. just excuses. Oh poor me, I didnt have tiime, boohoo.

Life is tough for everyone. I dont want to hear excuses. I dont care about hardships. I want to see the job get done

michiganfarmer · #20 01/31/08, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PA_MIKE

I am a seller. And I only leave feedback once it has been left for me. I have been burned too many times. It is too easy the other way for the buyer to leave you a negative if they are unhappy verses negotioating a soultion.

good idea. protect yourself, and jam it to the buyer.

Not this buyer. My integrity is impeccable. I iwll not be played with.