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Old 10/03/07, 04:10 PM
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Best ECONOMY woodstove?

So I am thinking about upgrading my vogelzang box woodstove, but had a little sticker shock when I started looking at some of the nicer stoves. I will probably end up going with a used Jotul or something similar. But if I wanted a new stove that would hold a fire 8-10 hours and heat 2000 sq ft or so in zone 7, any suggestions? Seems like the cheaper stoves tend to be pedestals, but for some reason I like the 4 leg stoves better, so if you can think of any of them, that would be great!

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Old 10/03/07, 04:16 PM
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Well you can do what I did. Get an england stove works stove. Lowes sells them. They sometimes have them in stock if not they can special order for you.
Mine cost $1200 is rated for 75,000 BTU's an hour. Will keep a fire about 10 hours and heats our house exclusively. Here is a picture.

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Here is a link for England stove works
http://www.englanderstoves.com/

Here is a link for our stove.
http://www.englanderstoves.com/30-nc.html
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How many square feet is your house STAN?
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Old 10/03/07, 06:45 PM
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That is also a good question for me too. And I too had been working with a Boxwood stove. I loved that little thing..had to poke every 40 minutes or so, but I still loved it. We are looking for something bigger and more airtight. Gonna keep the Boxwood for the store in the winter or the woodshop.
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The house is 1500 SF. It's an old two story farmhouse. It's setup to pull combustion air from outside. An average load of wood lasts about 7-8 hours. So in the winter we fill it three times a day. I don't figure you would have to fill it that often as you are further south than me so you wont need quite as much heat. If you "damp the stove back" all the way it will burn for almost 12 hrs. and keep hot coals even longer on one load but you wont get as much heat near the end.

One other thing I'd like to mention also is get the blower with it. It heats much better. But it is a 150 dollar option. So me being cheap I rigged up a small fan. But the box fan designed for it would be better.
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I was going to suggest a used stove, but see you've already thought of that.

I bought a used Quadrafire woodstove a few years ago from a store that sells new ones, as well as a couple of other brands. Prior to making it available for sale, they "refurbished" it by putting in new firebrick and a new door gasket. Of course, they also looked it over for any other problems. It cost me somewhere in the $600 to $800 range when a new one cost about $1,200.

Because they mostly dealt with new stoves, I had no qualms about buying a used one from them.
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Old 10/03/07, 09:02 PM
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A two-barrel woodstove will cost you around $150, and they are rated at 200,000btu.

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Old 10/03/07, 09:17 PM
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start looking for second hand, last yr I picked up a vermont castings for my moms house, barely used...
$100

if you look hard enough youll find a cheap good one.
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If you go to TSC, or I think Harbor Freight they sell a stove called Wonder Wood or Wonder Coal...different grates. They are NOT pretty, but will last near forever. Can get a blower with it. My brother heated his 2,000 sq ft house in the VERY notrh of Vermont for around 5 years. He picked it up for free from the side of the road...actually found it in the ditch. He got transfered to Tenn so droped it off at the farm here in upstate NY. It heated the shop for 3-4 yrs untill I traded it for a tractor. Poor insulation at best in the shop...1 window wouldnt close all the way and left a 5" gap. Fire that baby up and could sweat me out in just a few hours. It had a vi-metal thermastat, but it was broken. Brother said he could get close to 13 hrs on a good load with the stove at a medium idle. Mike Just rember I told you about their looks.
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I had one of those vogledangs too! It only lasted me about 8 years and the bottom grate crumbled to pieces last winter, and it never really did heat the house like my old Ashley wood stove did. Toward the end of the summer a nearby feed store had one of those pot bellied wood stoves on clearance. I've always liked the looks of one of those so I bought it. Oh my gosh, every 20 minutes I would have to reload it with small pieces of split wood as that is all you can fit in the door. Luckily we had a early spring. I'm hoping to get the money somewhere and buy me a real good stove this next time. I want to be able once again to fill it up at bedtime and not worry about till I get ready to leave for work. And then not worry about it again till I get home that evening. And use regular 18"-20" wood once again.
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Old 10/04/07, 12:01 AM
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Blaze King 90,000 Btu/Hr, 82.5%, 47 hr burn max

Ours is a Blaze King King Ultra

This is from another post.

We have an 82.5% efficient (you will burn 17.9% less wood, and longer than with a standared air tight) catalytic wood stove which seems to burn most of the creosote before it gets to the flue. And we burn full hot every so often, and have 2-1/2" high-temperature insulated double stainless steel modern flue. Just in case someone was going to comment about how pine and spruce produce creosote.

It will last all night in minus 50F or up to 47 hours in warmer times.

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Alex, isn't it a little close to the log wall?
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Old 10/04/07, 07:34 AM
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This stove puts out a lot of heat:

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And it makes hot-water too:

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You can't just post a pic like that without the backstory.. so, where did you get the double barrell woodstove..dd you make it..all of those gripping questions.. specs please.
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This stove puts out a lot of heat:

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And it makes hot-water too:

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Hey, does that do well with making hot water? How much does it make? I always thought I'd do something like that but never tried.
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Old 10/04/07, 09:18 AM
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You can't just post a pic like that without the backstory.. so, where did you get the double barrell woodstove..dd you make it..all of those gripping questions.. specs please.
Ooops. I had posted about making it long ago.

We just got a new digital camera and I got to playing with the camera, alas our house right now is a mess, which shows up double in the pictures

Anyway we have a local sponge-cake factory [LaBrees] and they are a continuous supply of 55-gallon drums. They buy lard and pineapple filling in big oil drums. So I get them for free.

The kits to assemble two drums into a stove can be bought from 'Northern' [but other folks have them as well].

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...70_20894_20894

$40 is a kit that makes a one barrel stove, another $30 gets you the stacking hardware to make it into a two-barrel stove.

These stoves are rated at 200,000btu.

I lined the bottom barrel with one inch of refractory cement [fire clay] in the hopes that it will never burn out. [okay fine, I do have a row of spare barrels outside so even if it does burn out in five years, I do have ready replacements]

The upper barrel has two preheated air intakes of my own design. Two pieces of black-pipe two and a half foot long, mounted on the front and suspended inside, with caps on the outside. When the stove is hot and drafting good, removing the caps will introduce preheated fresh air into the upper barrel making it into a secondary combustion chamber. I have gotten the secondary combustion chamber glowing orange. This year I have included a temperature gauge so I can see how hot it gets.

Directly above the stove we have an industrial ceiling fan, blowing right down on it. This works well to move air a lot, and to push the heat down and out across the room. We are in a 40' X 60' [2400sq ft] structure, with one room. So the ceiling fans are capable of keeping the heated air stirred up and distributed through-out.

We have under-floor radiant heat. PEX tubing underneath the floors and on the living room seating keeps the floors and the living-room couches warm.

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Also between our swimming pool and our jacuzzi is a large heated towel rack, that this hot water also flows through.

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So our wet towels are quickly dried, and they are always warm and ready for our use. The towel rack is also large enough that all of our wet clothing and coats can fit on it to dry.

We have a propane water heater and an electric water-heater. Both set at incremental levels so they only kick in when all else should fail.

From the big stove the hot water flows into a thermal bank of 300 gallons. It consists of six 55-gallon drums [did I mention that I have a ready supply of free drums?]

Hot water from the stove is circulated through the thermal bank. Hot water is also circulated from the thermal bank, through the propane and electric water-heaters, through the circ pumps, through the towel rack, through the floor loop, then finally returning to the thermal bank.

Both circ pumps are the cheap Toro 120VAC units. Fed from an inverter, connected to a marine deep-cycle battery, on a charger. If we loose power we should still have heat flow for four days.

We did play with the 12VDC circ pumps, but they were very expensive, and they did not last through the entire season.

Our stove, has two very heavy iron grates in it. Which I bought from:

http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/

Our local hardware stove, allows me to buy the parts from them, they call the order in to woodmans, and I do not pay for shipping.

We burn green wood, cardboard, paper, peat, and coal.

I have found that it would appear [to my non-chemist eye] that since the smoke stack is straight anything that condenses in the pipe appears to fall down into the secondary combustion chamber. Where it is burnt yet again. This summer when I dis-assembled the entire system for cleaning [yes, I am retired military, I disassemble things for planned maintenance] It was surprisingly clean, I found very little creosote build-up.

We harvest local wood from my woodlot [I own 40 acres of woodlot and I manage another 105 acres of woodlot]. We harvest peat from one of the many local peat bogs. I even have sphagnum moss growing here on my land, so as I cultivate it, in six years I hope to begin harvesting peat from our own bog.

Our grates are flat, not conical. So they are truly not the proper shape for burning coal. I can get a nice coal bed going, but it is just as likely to go out, since the grate is not the proper shape. However it appears that by mixing wood, peat, and coal, it does all get burnt. It provides a lot of heat. I tend it hourly through the evening, and in the morning a little stir and some fresh wood, and it roars back to life.

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This stove puts out a lot of heat:

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And it makes hot-water too:

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Makes a dandy smoker, too!

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You build them from a kit...see http://www.vogelzang.com/barrel_stoves.htm or http://www.usstove.com/products.php?pg=12

Kits are also sold in hardware stores, at Tractor Supply and farm supply stores, and at http://www.northerntool.com/
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I built mine out of a single sheet of 1/4 plate, a box of welding rods, a few pieces of extra iron and firebrick. Less than 120$, been using it for ten years, with no problems... very unlikely to ever burn through. Could probably rebuild a lot neater looking now, since my skills are a lot better now.
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