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Old 09/05/07, 08:32 AM
 
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sand point? Cabin Fever?

On a thread in CF, you mentioned having put in a sand point well or pump. We were discussing with a friend how to get water in an area where we have no water and how to keep it from freezing in the winter - (it's to water livestock and we are tired of hauling water but can't afford to dig a well now). The friend said when he was growing up in Wisconsin they used sand points, but he did not remember how.

I tried searching "sand point well" and got nowhere fast. Could you (or someone else) share a short description and directions, or a link, or something?

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Old 09/05/07, 08:35 AM
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First I am not CF

But.. I do know that another term to search is "driven Point' How deep is the water table by you?
Driven points are generally shallow wells.. Do you live in bottom ground? Near a river or such. The deepest driven point that I know of around here is 40 feet. and trust me that was a lot of driving.
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Old 09/05/07, 08:47 AM
 
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This would be about 50 feet from the river, but the river is 10 or 15 feet below the surface level where we would like to get water, if that matters.

I'll try driven point!
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Old 09/05/07, 09:03 AM
 
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I googled sand point well and got these results:
http://www.google.com/search?q=sand+...e7&rlz=1I7ADBR
The first one was pretty informative.
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Old 09/05/07, 09:04 AM
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sand point

Sand points are ok if you have coarse sand with water in it. I used a 4 inch post auger and added 4 ft. ext. had to go about 20 ft.to some water bearing sand and then put in 3 inch pvc plastic. for casing. This was for chickens and livestock only. I have put down both and I think post auger is the best. You will get a lot more volume with the augered hole.
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Old 09/05/07, 09:12 AM
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My brother and I drove a 2-inch diameter sand point about 30 feet or so into the ground. I wish I had photos to show you of the installation. I only have a photo of the finished product. I believe Lehman's website has a discussion on wells and they sell all the parts. I ordered my parts from a plumbing wholesaler and saved about 30% or so over Lehman’s prices.

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Well Point
There are several types of well points sold for driving into the ground. They come in different diameters, lengths and are either screened or slotted. The one thing that all driven well points have in common is that they are pointed. The narrower the diameter, the easier it will be to drive. For my installation, I used a 2-inch diameter, stainless-steel, well point with a #10 slot size. Many country hardware stores sell driven well points in our area.

Well Casing
I used 2-inch galvanized iron water pipe cut and threaded into five-foot lengths. You don’t want to use longer sections of pipe because you’d have to stand on a ladder to pound the end of it. This type of pipe can be purchased at any big box building supply center. The sections of pipe are connected together using special high strength couplings. If a person were to use standard couplings, they would break under the force of pounding the well down.

Well Cylinder
A cylinder is the pump that pushes the water up the well to the surface. The cylinder goes in the bottom of the well below the watertable...consequently it never freezes and can pump water all year long. The cylinder pump is actuated by the sucker rod the moves up and down by the pumping of the well pump handle. Typically, cylinders are made of brass. They come in a variety of lengths and diameters. The larger the diameter and/or length, the more water it will pump per stroke. Most force pumps have a 10” or 12” stroke, so buy a cylinder using that same stroke. I chose a cylinder that fits inside a 2” pipe. I believe my cylinder has a 1-9/16” diameter.

Sucker rod
Sucker rod is a 5/16” chrome-plated threaded rod that connects the cylinder pump to the handle of the well pump. Don’t use a plain steel rod for this purpose as it will rust. It is important that the rod be just the right length, so have a means of cutting and threaded the last section of sucker rod onsite during installation.

Drop pipe
The drop pipe is the pipe that delivers water from the cylinder pump to the well pump. It is thread on one end to the cylinder and on the other end to the well. I used galvanized 1” pipe for this purpose. Try to picture this, the sucker rod goes down the center of the drop pipe and the drop pipe goes down the center of the well casing. A 1/8" hole was drilled into the drop pipe about 5 feet below ground level to allow water to drain out of the drop pipe. This will keep the pipe from freezing in the winter.

Force Pump
The big dollar item of the entire set up is the force pump. Lehmans sells these, you can order them from plumbing supply houses, there are probably many internet sources, and if you’re lucky you can find a used force pump at an auction or antique store. A flange connects the force pump to the well casing. In my set up, I concreted in a six foot section of 6” pipe over the 2” well casing to attach the force pump to.

Installation
I used a heavy fence post driver to drive the well point and 2” well casing into the ground. I used a short section of 2” pipe as the driving surface, not the actual well casing. I have heard of people using sledge hammers. If you use a sledge, there is a driving cap that you screw onto the end of the well casing to hit with the hammer so you don’t ruin the well casing pipe or its threads. Some people have rigged up weights on a pulley system to drive the well.

I know that I’ve left out many specifics. Let me know if you have questions.
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Last edited by Cabin Fever; 09/05/07 at 09:40 AM. Reason: Forgot about the drain hole in the drop pipe
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Old 09/05/07, 09:19 AM
 
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thanks! I printed it out for dh and if he has any questions I'll get back to you.
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Old 09/05/07, 09:20 AM
 
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Could a 3ph hydraulic post driver be used to drive the point/casing? Would the force be too much even for the special connectors? Thanks.
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