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Waterwheel invention promises cheap electricity

From the UK Daily Mail, 12-31-06

Waterwheel invention promises cheap electricity

It's a mechanical problem that's troubled scientists since Archimedes and the ancient Greeks but now an electrician has come up with a new invention that could help save consumers thousands of pounds in energy bills.

Scotsman Ian Gilmartin, 60, and his friend Bob Cattley, 58, both from Kendal, Cumbria have invented a mini-waterwheel capable of supplying enough electricity to power a house - for free.

The contraption is designed to be used in small rivers or streams - ideal for potentially thousands of homes across Britain. It is the first off-the-shelf waterwheel system which can generate a good supply of electricity from a water fall as little as 20cm.

Mr Gilmartin, an electrician and inventor, was not prompted to think up his new device by high energy bills - he does not own a TV and has never lived in a house with electricity.

But he has a stream at the back of his house, the Beck Mickle, and with the help of Phd engineering student, Mr Cattley, now hopes to see the invention in the shops by the end of next year.

Mr Gilmartin first began experimenting three years ago with yoghurt pots and wheelie bins in the stream, before test-running a proto-type. They took the results to the Lake District National Park, and secured a £15,000 grant from the organisation's sustainability fund.

The prototype has now been working successfully at St Catherine's, a National Trust site near Windermere, opening up previously untapped energy. The waterwheel produces one to two kilowatts of power and generates at least 24 kilowatt hours of sustainable green energy in a day, just under the average household's daily consumption of around 28 kilowatt hours.

It will hope to cost around £2,000 to fully install - and will pay for itself in side two years.

The Beck Mickle 'low head' micro hydro generator could potentially provide electricity to more than 50,000 British homes and could be used industrially.

Mr Gilmartin said: "While we cannot say this provides free electricity, because of the initial cost of buying the machine, it is expected to pay for itself within two years and then greatly reduce the owner's electricity bills after then."

Waterwheels of various types have been known since Roman times and hydropower was widely used in the Middle Ages, powering most industry in Europe.

But the energy produced from the flow of water depends on the height, or head, that the water falls.

A 'high head' like a traditional water-wheel, is large, expensive and needs civil engineering. But with 'low heads' - under a 18 inches, no one had yet invented a method of successfully recovering the energy generated.

Researchers have long sought out low cost technology to exploit the vast number of suitable low head hydro sites as a source of renewable energy.

A conventional waterwheel allows the water to escape prematurely as the wheel rotates, but the Beck Mickle Hydro generator contains the water for the full drop of the device, converting around 70 per cent of the energy into electricity.

Mr Gilmartin explained, "This idea started off to answer the question, 'How do you recover energy from very, very low heads of fluid?'

"With a low head there is not very much flow, no velocity, the fluid has got to have speed, and the only way of doing it is with a water wheel, but they are big and expensive and need lots of civil engineering.

"I have come up with an answer and I don't know why anyone has not thought of it before."

Mr Gilmartin added: "You have to have a good reason for not having one. There are enormous possibilities wherever there are water flows."

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it would be nice to have a better view of the wheel and some technical info. hopefully that will come soon.
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It looks to me like he gets better "head" by running the water on an elevated platform thus maximizing the head and minimizing the loss of power over the surface of the ground it normally flows on. I want to see more pictures though.
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Here are some DIY hydro applications with low water head.

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_hydro.html
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I'm a bit dubious. I've read this sort of story many times over the decades and we've yet to see the wonderful devices that will supply all of our power needs for nearly free. The proof is in the pudding and so far the bowl is looking empty.
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But unlike the low head generators at that site which can run just a few lights, etc., these blokes claim their gen will produce enough juice to power a house that uses 28 kwh per day. My usage is about 13-14 kwh/day, so it would supposedly do for me. But what happens when the creek freezes up in the winter? I also would like to read a more detailed story on it.
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you can't get blood from a turnip also seemes 2 kw of power would be 48kwh in a 24 hour day. the numbers don't even add up correctly



my neighbor has invented a car that does not run from fuels or batteries...





..if only he can get a long enough extension cord.
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you would think a sluce would do nothing but add friction to the water vs. utilizing a drop like a waterfall. what i got from the article was that the waterwheel somehow made more efficient use of the water by holding onto it longer??? i don't know. without more detail it seems rather vague.
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He uses an oval belt with buckets to turn a shaft. The buckets hold the water for a longer time, thus making use of the mass of the water for a longer period of time. It's a good, simple idea that will make it possible to smaller streams to produce power.

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Very clever design,yes,needs a good flow it appears.

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Those guys deserve a Nobel if it works. But look at the front page of that paper - it looks like the British National Enquirer. The plans are probably filed next to the car that runs on water and the perpetual motion machine.
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My understanding the problem with a device of this nature is mostly the low rpms generated and the relative inefficiency of the device itself.

His rpm might be say 15 off of the drive shaft. The rpm then has to be ramped by through a serials of pulleys to try to get enough to drive an alternator or generator. A whole lot easier to do with a 12v automobile alternator than a multi-kilowatt capable generator. (And his design does look at be direct drive.)

The typical waterwheel is round with a center shaft. His is vertical running more on a conveyer belt concept. As such you have to have at least two shafts and the belting, each resulting in a loss of efficiency due to friction. There is also the problem of lifting the empty cups to be refilled so some loss will occur just keeping it moving.

He might have come up with a better waterwheel design, but I simply don't see it as adding anything to low-cost energy production.

OK, OK say he did gear or belt it up to where it produced a constant 2KW of electricity at 110v. Without a storage system what happens when your usage (such as for electric heat) surpasses 2,000 watts at any given moment? Wouldn't you get essentially a brown-out.

Unless you are hooked into the power grid and have an buy-back arrangement with the provider any extra electricity produced is wasted. From what I have read utility companies are not enthusastic about such buy-back arrangments due to the problem caused by having to do multiple disconnects to completely kill a line.

Sorry, but I just don't see a better mousetrap here.

Added: With an overshot waterwheel it is using maybe 40% of the diameter of the wheel at any one time (from beginning to fill a bucket to completely empty). If the second photo is his design I don't see it using anymore than about that amount. Where's the siginificant improvement in efficiency?

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waterwheels for my gutters

If they could put waterwheels at the bottom of my gutters I could get free power all winter here in western WA.
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Y'all should go over to the alt.energy forum. We have a member with a mini wheel that is DOING it, not just dreaming. He used a tape drive motor (from the old computer tape drives) to produce his power.
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He is likely producing a minute amount of power. Producing kilowatts of power from a low-rpm source if quite another matter.
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I believe he was producing around 4.8 KwH a day.

Producing Our Own Electricity

Go check it out.
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Well, that would be an average of 200 watts per hour. Enough for three 60 watt bulbs with a bit to spare.
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Well, that would be an average of 200 watts per hour. Enough for three 60 watt bulbs with a bit to spare.
Go tell him it's not working then, by all means.

If you are going to run 3 60 watt bulbs all day and throw away the other 480 watts also, you probably shouldn't be worrying about alternative energies.

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I'm not poo-pooing the idea. Its just that I've seen probably a couple of hundred of this type projects which never pan out.

I have sincere doubts his design would produce any appreciable amount of electricity, much less the constant 2 kwh he envisions.

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