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Old 09/05/06, 04:09 PM
 
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Rats,mice, Rodents: It Gets Worse...venting!!!!

Okay, I posted earlier about the rat/rodent problem. Well, today the electrician was here to see about running a new line for me. When we pulled back the freezer, he saw that several of the wires that come up from cellar had insulation chewed off down to bare wires. We just had the house wired 3 years ago(never had electric here before).A big fire hazard.
So my friend who is still here, thinks I'm getting very negative toward her.About this and $ issues. I guess I am coming across as a real ogre to them now.
I can't bait them till they are gone and now they have migrated into the house.Back in 1980 my uncle died in this house from a fire, so why shouldn't I be afraid of fire. I'm at my wits end and have sleepless nights ahead of me. Sigh...
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Old 09/05/06, 04:13 PM
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Id bait them now. She can control her animals or take her chances. You need to protect your property. Her pets should not be your prime concern
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Old 09/05/06, 04:21 PM
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Why can't you bait them now??

A simple rodent bait trap can be set up. Place the bait securely on a base, construct a box over it with a small hole in it - rats & mice can't resist going in. It should keep whatever pet they have out
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Old 09/05/06, 07:00 PM
 
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Bait them now !! You can get bait boxes that dogs and cats cannot get into at TSC.

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Old 09/05/06, 07:01 PM
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Cats work great too!!!
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Old 09/05/06, 07:26 PM
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I'd be getting one bite rat bait and putting it out. It's her responsibility to protect her pets. You need to look out for your best interests.
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Old 09/05/06, 07:51 PM
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They would be coming for me in white coats I am afraid if I saw where a rat had chewed into my house. My nerves cannot take those varments.
Tell your neighbor you are putting poison out and for her to take precaution because you do not want to kill her animals, but you cannot take this another minute. And if it were me I would also call an exterminator and I would move in with somebody until those "things" were gone.
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Old 09/05/06, 10:14 PM
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Why be an ogre? Just say calmly that you will be taking care of the rodent problem by putting out poison and traps. She can do what she wants. Stay calm.
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Old 09/06/06, 12:12 AM
 
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I was an exterminator for 15 years and have had a lot of training and experience with mice and rats. I read your previous thread yesterday but didn't respond. The truth is that rodent poison baits would only poison cats that were eating the poison. Most cats are picky eaters and wouldn't eat the current legal poisons. Cats will not be adequate to control the rats.

The first task I would suggest is to determine what and where the rats are eating. Finding the damage inside the house suggests they are eating dry cat food and perhaps pantry foods. Placing a bowl of dry food out for the cats would attract rats and provide them with their necessary food. Trash cans and compost piles where kitchen debris is taken is another possibility. Limit the rat access by changing the habits and you will improve the chance that rat poison will work quickly.

D-con is a multi-feed low quality bait that professionals do not use. Get block baits. Most of them are single feed baits with more strength and quicker rodent fatality than D-con. Rats eat a lot of food so more bait is required than for mice.

Glue boards are another effective tool, but mouse size won't work on rats. I used to purchase the glue in gallon buckets and spread it on large cardboard or roof tiles. I caught many rats outside a rat infested crawl space using this technique.

Snap traps sized for rats are also effective, but are possible cat injuring devices. They must be placed in rat path ways, many of which will be located in areas cats cannot follow. Rat droppings are a good clue about where to place bait, snap traps, and glue boards.

The house needs to be inspected from the outside to determine if there is a pathway that leads into the house. A good block bait has a hole in the center which enables hanging the bait in areas that the rats cruise. Close entry holes. You can use steel wool, although I used a copper webbing that came in long rolls. Patios are a suspicious possibility and so is siding with a gap over the foundation edge. Holes where plumbing and electric enter the structure are another area to inspect.

A healthy female rat with adequate food can have 7-9 litters a year or nearly 100 baby rats. Eliminate their food supply, close their doors, and use traps plus poison to get the fastest control. Rats are more suspicious of new devices in their habitat than mice and so some things take a while to be accepted. Eliminating their normal food supply increases the speed of control. Kitchen cabinets usually are rodent habitats because they have a space below the bottom shelf that has a cat-proof opening by the base boards. Baits can usually be easily placed in this area.

Almost all companies that make poison baits do extensive testing on cats and dogs to see if they are in danger if they eat rats. Most products still on the market are very low risk to pets. I never had a single pet casualty in 15 years of regular rodent control work. Owls are in the greatest danger of eating poisoned rodents. Quintox is a poison that has zero risk of secondary poisoning and can be used in barns where owls may hunt for rodents. I have never seen it for sale in regular stores though.
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Old 09/06/06, 12:38 PM
 
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I always keep peanut butter baited snap traps in several pots in the house, when we moved in we must have trapped over a dozen mice before we got rid of them.

I still get the occasional mouse that has wandered in from outside.

I agree with the professional above, cleanup any food sources, close any entry points, get your traps out ( I don't like poisons personally as the animals will crawl in walls or other spots to die, then stink ) and eliminate them.
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Old 09/06/06, 01:55 PM
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I'd gather the cats and other critters nad lock them up for a night. Then I'd set out that poison someone was talking about for racoons that had mountain dew in it and let them go for it. Be sure to pick up the dead ones before letting the cats out in the morning.
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Old 09/06/06, 02:32 PM
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gobug, that is some great info. Thank you for taking the time to type it all out. I know it took some proofreading to make it so clear and easy to understand. Great post.
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Old 09/06/06, 09:53 PM
 
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We put mouse/rat poison out in our attached garage starting about now thru the winter months. City Code says cats and dogs are not allowed to run free so if neighbor's cats get poisoned in our garage it is not our responsibility. I would never deliberately poison them (although they use my flower beds and vegetable garden for a litter box) but if they are in my garage ... well what happens, happens. I'm not going to have mice in my house if I can help it and poison in the garage seems to take care of the problem.
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