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Old 09/04/06, 06:33 PM
 
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Early winter?

I live in MN and I've noticed a couple weeks ago the leaves were turnng and this morning I saw winter type clouds in the sky. Does this mean an early rough winter is coming?

What are signs I should look for?


Sorry-I'm one of those silly city people who don't know these things.

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Old 09/04/06, 07:32 PM
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I'm a lot further south than you are, but most of the trees have that dull green (that color before the true color change)... and I've seen some trees actually changing colors... about 3 - 4 weeks early. Worst sign for both early fall, and cold winter is our hair sheep are wooling up (usually i don't see the wool until late October early November).

If you have animals I'd look to their coats and see how thick and long they are. (or the native animals that you can see.) Wouldn't surprise me to hear geese heading south soon either!

Got about 3 cords under the shed, and another 10 - 12 cords stored up (not covered, but sure can move under cover as we use up the covered wood). Not really worried about a cold one but, I'm begining to suspect one. Dogs have really begun to put on the hair too.

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Old 09/04/06, 10:10 PM
 
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Those sheep must be mistaken, don't they know we are in the throes of gobal warming?
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Old 09/05/06, 09:46 AM
 
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The leaves are changing here in Maine, and the nights are cool, We have had more 40+ temps at night then 50 in the last month. If we get as much snow as we got rain this spring and summer then we are in for it.
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Old 09/05/06, 10:00 AM
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I heard it was going to be an early winter, but a mild one. Some of the signs I'm seeing here in TN:
1. Goats started getting winter hair...and it's still in the 80's
2. Wooly worm is completely brown hardly any black on the tips (signifys mild winter)
3. Leaves have changed and dropped on some trees (most likely for the excessing dry heat we've had)

Anyone else have signs......
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Old 09/05/06, 10:15 AM
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Weve had a ton of hickory nuts drop but they were all rotten by the time they dropped.
theres been a ton of blackberries,apples,black walnuts.
weve had great deal of good hay.
Im not looking for an easy winter.
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Old 09/05/06, 10:37 AM
 
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I don't know if any of the old wive's tales are true or not - the wooley worm, how many nuts squirrels hide away, how far up a hornet's nest, etc.

I will say though that our temperatures for the last 2 weeks have been cooler than normal. And I've seen birds grouping up already as well as leaves starting to change color.

I'm thinking winter is going to come "early" this year. I say "early" meaning earlier than the past couple winters. And I'm also guessing that we are going to have a "real" winter - one like when I used to be a kid where we got snow in November and we had it until April. I can remember as a kid snow storms upon snow storms where snow was on the ground all winter. The winters lately have been mild with very little snow and what snow we do get melts fairly quickly leaving bare ground.

I expect a cold, snowy winter like we haven't seen for some time. That's my prediction anyway.
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Old 09/05/06, 12:38 PM
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The weatherman can't be wrong - can he?

I received this last year from a friend up on the mountain - I think it is apropriate for this thread:


It was October and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.

Since he became the chief in a modern society, he had never been taught all the old secrets.

When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like.

Nevertheless, to be on the safe side he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared.

Now being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to a phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked, "Is the coming winter going to be cold?"

"It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold," the meteorologist at the weather service responded.

So the chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared.

Two weeks later he called the National Weather Service again. "Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter?"

"Yes," the man at the National Weather Service again replied "it's going to be a very cold winter."

The chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.

Still apprehensive the chief called the National Weather Service once again. "Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?"

“Absolutely,” the man replied. “It’s looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever.”

“How can you be so sure?” the chief asked.

The weatherman replied, “Because the Indians are collecting firewood like crazy!”
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Old 09/05/06, 03:55 PM
 
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That works for me


Speaking of animals with heavy coats I noticed my 2 little yappy dogs coats are heavier than usual for a summer coat. My cherry tomatoes are dying out but after all winter is only a very short while off in the cities.

Looks to be in forties at night by Friday.
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Old 09/05/06, 04:50 PM
 
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Saturday's high here in central Ks. was a dreary, chilly 61 - last year it was 106 on the same date. Much, much cooler; and also a lot sooner than usual. Heard geese Thursday going south. Sumac turning, apples in our orchard l-2 weeks ahead of due dates. I also heard locusts well before the 4th of July. They're so loud you can't hear yourself think.
I've heard lots of talk we will have an early freeze. I've lived in this area for 17 years and we have had 2 gully washer storms this summer - 4 1/2 inches and 6 `1/2 inches over 2 days. Not common for central Ks, believe me!
Grass was crackly and dead looking end of May - very hot summer. Then rain and early cool down. Can't ever remember going to state fair and not roasting; can't wait to go this year and really enjoy the cooler temps!
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I'm just happy that it's cooliing off!!!
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Old 09/05/06, 06:24 PM
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I think the cold weather will be coming sooner but I don't know if it will be colder than average. Our trees started changing colours almost a month ago, a month or so earlier than normal. They are in full change mode now. The goldenrod bloomed 3 weeks ago - that has always predicted 6 weeks to the first frost - which is about a month early here. The black walnuts aren't even making it to the ground before the squirrels carry them off. Flocks have been forming up for a couple fo weeks now and the birds are much fatter and fluffier than normal.
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Old 09/06/06, 04:17 AM
 
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Yeah, I've noticed an increase in squirrel activity here also. And the geese are heading south nonstop. I wonder where their final destination is?
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Old 09/06/06, 09:05 AM
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Funny you guys are talking about this, I just mentioned to my wife a few weeks ago that the doves were flocking up much earlier than usual. This past weeekend I saw the starlings flocking up and that is early too.

Thank goodness the woodshed is full to bursting, now I just need the chimney guys to finish!
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Old 09/06/06, 09:33 AM
 
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Two weeks ago the cats were cuddled up on the chair together outside. I've heard that predict two weeks till frost. Overnight temps are still in high fifties regularly, so that was incorrect.

One week ago I saw a flock of geese flying due south. But, this is south for them. They tend to overwinter around here in Illinois.

Our average first frost is mid-October. It seems we're right on track for that target. It wouldn't surprise me if it came earlier, after all, it is an 'average' date.

Everything seems pretty normal around here. Trees are changing as usual this time of year. The characteristic 'back to school' aroma was in the air when school started.

I predict it will be colder soon, and you will see pumpkins everywhere. But all the speculation is fun, isn't it?

Forgot to add, we still have hummers at the flower spikes. Every year they migrate south through the month of September. They are especially heavy around the middle of September. They also start getting aggressive with each other around that time. They haven't gotten aggressive yet.

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Old 09/06/06, 09:52 AM
 
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Where we live it has been hot the past few years for our Fall Festival. Used to, it would be extremely cool by sundown and the past few years it hasn't been. This year it is. That used to mean a colder winter. I don't know. I also wondered if there was anything to there being more bag worms this year? If maybe that indicated a harder winter.
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Old 10/12/06, 10:40 AM
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Well it looks like those of us predicting early winter were on to something. We had a pretty good dusting of snow all over the farm this morning, with more forecasted for today and tonight.

October 12, that is early all right.
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Old 10/12/06, 10:56 AM
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We are supposed to have a 25 degree low temp this week already.
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