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Old 05/05/06, 08:33 PM
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Sewage Lagoon ? ? ?

Two questions.
1 - Any suggestions as to where design info for a new lagoon might be found?
2 - What the heck do you do in the winter if the lagoon freezes?
Thanks for any help.

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Old 05/05/06, 09:50 PM
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I have a lagoon. I was totally grossed out by the lagoon idea but the kind folks here reassured me that everything would be fine. It has been for two years. It is the strangest shade of green right now. We;ve never had a problem with smell.

I would suggest that you get a "good ole country boy" to put your lagoon in for you. It costs roughtly 400 to 600 dollars, depending on your land and how many huge rocks he hits. Good ole Country boys, can look at your land and tell you the perfect place to put it. Also have him put in the sewer line. The sewer line is run really deep to keep it from freezing. The only place you really have to worry is where its hooked to your house down about 18 inches. Mine is wrapped up in insulation to avoid freezing. I've never looked during the winter to see if it ever froze. The sewer pipe on mine is about three feet above the water.

If you have your own equipment it would be much cheaper to put it in.

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Old 05/06/06, 01:12 PM
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Thanks! Still hope to hear from someone who has experienced freeze over of the lagoon itself to find out if that is something to worry about.

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Well poo poo. We don't know where you are, so we can't properly address the freezing issue. Most places do not allow lagoons any more, so this may create a problem. Check the local and state codes. Most lagoons and outdoor privies do not smell badly until someone starts attempting to make them not smell. The bacteria in the effluent causes digestion of the solids, and generates heat. This slows the process of freezing, and also eliminates some of the mass that causes odors. Left alone and built large enough they (the lagoons) usually work fine. I guess that's why most places are outlawing them. Somebody always has a better idea, and God help us all if they have some kind of degree concerning the ecology.

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Old 05/06/06, 02:27 PM
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Well, the contemporary lagoons do not receive any solids or undigested matter. They only substitute for a drainfield in that they provide the final processing stage for black water after the septic tank has done its job. They are a substitute measure for those specific soils that will not pass a perc test, and, if I am correct, are being approved by various common-sense health departments. But, can this type lagoon freeze?

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Old 05/06/06, 02:42 PM
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there is too much money for municipalities to make by mandating folks hook up to municipal sewer systems. often alternatives are permitted as long as you pay the monthly hush money and the hook-up fees.

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Old 05/06/06, 03:15 PM
 
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Well, the contemporary lagoons do not receive any solids or undigested matter. They only substitute for a drainfield in that they provide the final processing stage for black water after the septic tank has done its job. They are a substitute measure for those specific soils that will not pass a perc test, and, if I am correct, are being approved by various common-sense health departments. But, can this type lagoon freeze?

And your location again, was????

I live in Minnesota, where the modern mound septic systems freeze, much less an open lagoon! But most on here are in the south, where they think 25 degrees is a cold snap.

So it is going to depend.

Only a municipality can run an open lagoon around here, so you still have legal issues, but sounds like you have worked that part out.

Aweful smell when the lagoon turns over, during spring thaw.

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Old 05/06/06, 04:28 PM
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The health dept. in my home county grants more permits for lagoons than they do for leach fields because of clay and limestone in this area. I'm lucky enough to have a leach field on my place. I was always more concerned with mosquito(e?)s in this area then I am about the potential stink.

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Old 05/06/06, 07:45 PM
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And your location again, was????

I live in Minnesota, where the modern mound septic systems freeze, much less an open lagoon! But most on here are in the south, where they think 25 degrees is a cold snap.

So it is going to depend.

Only a municipality can run an open lagoon around here, so you still have legal issues, but sounds like you have worked that part out.

Aweful smell when the lagoon turns over, during spring thaw.

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We are in southern Kentucky. 10 to 15 degree weather is not common, but, it does happen each winter. A two-week stretch of sub-freezing cold is about the limit and then a period of thaw is the norm. Just wondering if a sawdust bucket might be needed in the rare instance of a deeper cold season.
Some folks dump a gallon or two of used cooking oil into the lagoon to keep down the mosquito population and that might also affect freezing point.
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Around here, they are very common, and still required in some areas. We have one, and it had to be cleaned and reinspected when we bought the place. Fortunately, that was the sellers obligation, and we did not deal with that. It has worked great for the almost 5 years we have been here. The only time we have had any smell, isinthe summer when the algae blooms, and it is the smell of an algae bloom, not of a sewer. It does freeze over, and after only a few days of freezing weather. Freezking does not affect the operation any. Our county has a little handbook you can get that specifies the dimensions and requirements for building one. It is not supposed to leak, but here the clay makes that pretty easy to achieve. Also, our sewer line (4 inch PVC) is only buried about 18 inches deep. Certainly not deep enough to prevent freezing, except at the lagoon itself, where it goes somewhat deeper.

By the way, 'here' can be found by looking at my location, which totally annoys me that people ask questions that require knowledge of their location, but are not considerate enough to post their location in their profile so it will show up when they post. Sorry!

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Around here (you don't need to know where for obvious reasons) many people have lagoons. I've never noticed any smells from them unless you actually had to fish a cow or kid out of one. Just as many run the pipe out a hundred yards or so away from the house down the hill somewhere. You have a spot that is maybe 10ft by 10ft that is muddy and a bit smelly if you get right up next to it and sniff but is far less of mess than your average barn lot. In fact if you don't see the exit pipe and the spot and don't step right in it, in most cases you won't even know it is there. This happens a lot if the pipe exits in a heavily wooded area and the pipe and discharge gets covered with a layer of leaves. All of the sewage gets diluted with all the gray water too which seems to help with any smell. We get sub zero temps here and haven't had any freezing problems that I've heard of.

Is this technically legal? Probably not. You're left to do as you like as long as you're not hurting anyone else. We don't have any building codes or inspections in the county. Unless you're dumping your sewage directly into a ditch or creek no one cares.

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Old 05/07/06, 08:46 AM
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I have friends in Iowa that have a lagoon now for 4 years and even at temps around 20 below they have never had it freeze, no smell, you can't see it cause the Mound of dirt around the lagoon stops anybody from seeing it. And with high sides that also helps any smell. So here is one that has taken temps as low as 20 Below Zero with no problem at all..

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By all means use the lagoon if you can. Your winters will not cause a problem. If the lagoon should freeze then when it thaws it will return to normal very quickly. Nature does a wonderful job.

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Old 05/07/06, 04:03 PM
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LOL our school had a lagoon with a unlocked gate! about 100 ft from the playground.

BTW can somone offer a link to the proper sizing for a lagoon. and how ofted do lagoons need cleaning, the mennonite hog farmers clean their lagoon out once a year by spraying the waste on farm fields using a HUGE rotating sprayer.(it does smell)

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