NAIS and Immigration Issues, how many have contacted your legislators?

[wilderness1989]

If we want our views heard on these issues we need to call and then email our legislators. I did call and email mine today, did you?
To find your Federal Legislators go here:
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
For State and Federal go here:
http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm

[OD]

I called my state Senator today.
It was quite a satisfying experience. The person who answered the phone said that Senator Eltife is urging the TAHC to change the rules to protect the small farmers & animal owners.
She said that the meeting that was scheduled for last week to vote on the NAIS was cancelled because of so much opposition from the public.
At this point, nothing in Texas is mandatory, & won't be before the Legislature is in session again in 2007. (I assume that this means that we don't have to have our "premisis" registered by 7/1/06, as we have been told.)
She said that the Feds passed a law that each state must have an animal ID law in place by 2010, but the rules are left up to the individual states to inact.
We have to keep the opposition going, & not let our guard down. We can't stop the law, but maybe we can make it more bearable.

[wilderness1989]

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[tinknal]

Maybe we should chip illegal aliens..............

[rambler]

Originally Posted by tinknal

Maybe we should chip illegal aliens..............

The title of this thread had me wondering _what_ direction this thread would be going!

--->Paul

[wilderness1989]

Originally Posted by rambler

The title of this thread had me wondering _what_ direction this thread would be going!

--->Paul

The direction I wanted the thread to go was getting people involved, getting them to express their personal views on subjects to their legislators. The legislators are supposed to be work for us the people who elected them and are supposed to be their boss' of government.
I have been involved with causes before that got action from calls and letters to their legislators. If I remember well, it's been a while, the legislators counted one person calling or writing them was worth 1000+ voters that were thinking the same as the letter writer. But it worked and we got laws repealed that way. Just a thought no political inference implied.

[nogreaterjoy8]

I called/wrote and emailed about both issues........got thoroughly unsatisfactory answers........or ignored. Wish there were a few rallies or something planned here!

[ladycat]

Originally Posted by OD

We have to keep the opposition going, & not let our guard down. We can't stop the law, but maybe we can make it more bearable.

Absolutely!

[BamaSuzy]

If we DON't do something about the Animal Identification system we will ALL be sorry! I wrote an article in my newspaper about three weeks ago and about a day later an ALFA representative called me and talked about how it WOULDN'T hurt small farmers, etc. etc. etc.....

But it will and we MUST speak up! Folks, if you have a few chickens and goats or whatever, this ID system may make it cost too much to keep them if we don't speak out now for the small farmers! They will let big chicken processors get one ID for the WHOLE chicken house but those with small free range flocks would have to have an ID for each bird IF this goes as some want because they say our chicks would be more apt to catch diseases from wild birds...

BUT this program will not PREVENT disease, it will simply TRACK disease after it is found...

They need to make countries ID animals and vegetables (country of origin!) before they get into the US and leave the small farmers alone.

I am a newspaper editor and have done a vast amount of research on this plus interviewing several governmental leaders pro and con.

Folks read up on this and contact your state and federal legislators and state and federal agriculture folks!

[arabian knight]

[QUOTE it will simply TRACK disease after it is foundQUOTE]

Yes that is true. But getting at the source quickly within 48 hours is the whole purpose behind this so that Diseases will not get out of control and spread through an area. So it will Prevent it from spreading, not prevent the disease itself, but to stop it before it gets into other herds and affects other persons herd, flocks whatever.

[rambler]

Originally Posted by arabian knight

[QUOTE it will simply TRACK disease after it is foundQUOTE]

Yes that is true. But getting at the source quickly within 48 hours is the whole purpose behind this so that Diseases will not get out of control and spread through an area. So it will Prevent it from spreading, not prevent the disease itself, but to stop it before it gets into other herds and affects other persons herd, flocks whatever.

There is a great deal of misunderstanding on that part here. That is unfortunate.

NAIS is about stopping the spread of disease in domestic animals. Nothing more.

--->Paul

[arabian knight]

[QUOTE=rambler]

Originally Posted by arabian knight

There is a great deal of misunderstanding on that part here. That is unfortunate.

NAIS is about stopping the spread of disease in domestic animals. Nothing more.

--->Paul

What misunderstanding? This is a direct qoute from NAIS web page and that is what I also said.

. NAIS is being developed through the integration of three components—premises identification, animal identification, and animal tracking. The long-term goal of the NAIS is to provide animal health officials with the capability to identify all livestock and premises that have had direct contact with a disease of concern within 48 hours after discovery.

[christy]

This is just my own thoughts, but the NAIS is going to help spread these disease. With the family farms going to go under with this program that leaves large corp. farms. The animals are confined, stressed, and a much easier target. IMHO

[nogreaterjoy8]

I went to Barbara Cubins website - you can't find her position on immigration there, in fact, you can't find anything unless you put in a Wyoming zip code - heaven forbid out of staters know what she wants!

So I called the toll free number, which was answered by a 12 year old who informed me that she is not allowed to give out Ms. Cubin's positions over the phone! If I cared to leave my address they would be happy to send that right out to me.

I said, "Well, that sounds nice, but since I wrote you about the Animal Identification System and got a reply thanking me for my interest in gun control, I'm not sure I should bother."

So she looked up my name in her little computer and says.........."we haven't answered your letter yet." So I read her the whole blasted reply letter I got and she says, "well, I don't know what to say - our computer says it didn't answer you yet."

So she has promised to very quickly send me out Ms. Cubin's position on both issues and very kindly asked, "If you get anymore weird letters from our office, please disregard them because we aren't that sloppy and it isn't us."

THESE people are running our government????????? They can't even run an office.........but at least the girl spoke English!

Ya' know, the Declaration of Independence says the following (emphasis mine..........) maybe it's time we took our forefathers advice!!!!

"IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Then again, maybe if they make us long enough we won't have the sense to realize what they are doing.

Now back to your regularly scheduled posts........sorry

[rambler]

[QUOTE=arabian knight]

Originally Posted by rambler

What misunderstanding? This is a direct qoute from NAIS web page and that is what I also said.

. NAIS is being developed through the integration of three components—premises identification, animal identification, and animal tracking. The long-term goal of the NAIS is to provide animal health officials with the capability to identify all livestock and premises that have had direct contact with a disease of concern within 48 hours after discovery.

Many folks on this site have misunderstood the intent of NAIS. As you correctly have it, it is about being able to track domestic animal disease exposures in a quick timeframe _after_ one shows up so as to prevent exposing the entire country to such outbreaks.

It does not directly protect humans from food issues as _no_ food is being tracked, or prevent any animal disease outbreak from ever happening as the data will only be looked at after some outbreak happens. This program will react to animal disease outbreaks. It does not look at food safety, or how to prevent disease, or any of that.

You understand that, I'm saying it is too bad others have not grasped that yet.


Now, the govt being what it is, I don't doubt the database will be used for other things, 'as long as it is there', and some of the things people are opposed to are possibilities. I'm totally cool with opposing NAIS, I pretty much oppose it too.

But, understanding the original intent & goal of NAIS would help people to redefine it, kill it, or otherwise work with it. If they took the time to understand what it is they oppose.

Franky, I wish it would all go away. Since consumers of USA beef, both within & outside of our borders want checks & balances on food safety, I don't imagine it will go away.

One of the worst outcomes would be to exempt tiny growers from these rules, but requiring it on medium & large farms. That would put a great ecconomic stress on medium farms, & totally defeat any possible good coming from the program.

Either kill it all, or apply to all. I'd prefer it was all killed, but I think it is a 100-1 popularity contest, & we are on the '1' side of this issue.

--->Paul

[wilderness1989]

Originally Posted by nogreaterjoy8

"IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

People in France are demonstrating for their rights and Hispanics/Mexicans are demonstrating for their PRESUMED RIGHTS. We Legal Americans sit around complaining about what is happening to our government. Then why doesn't middle class America come out and peacefully demonstrate in great numbers too receive our due Constitutional Rights?

[nogreaterjoy8]

Originally Posted by wilderness1989

People in France are demonstrating for their rights and Hispanics/Mexicans are demonstrating for their PRESUMED RIGHTS. We Legal Americans sit around complaining about what is happening to our government. Then why doesn't middle class America come out and peacefully demonstrate in great numbers too receive our due Constitutional Rights.

Don't know.........I have tried to stir up interest around here for a rally in Casper but no one seems to care. i can't even get the paper to do an article because they say no one's interested........

And if the Mexicans/Hispanics/Latinos (what's the difference, anyway) want to protest for their rights they need to go to THEIR country and do it.........don't they have their own Declaration of Ind or something?

[copperhead51]

I called my traitorous Missouri senators about immigration and my state senator about NAIS today. The fed senators have been on the wrong side of Real I.D., the Patriot Act and Bush's unconstitutional spying on Americans.

[Lindafisk]

I have written and emailed senators, congressmen, reps and whoever else I can come up with-rights groups and special interest groups and such. I have also emailed LOTS of state papers and done letters to editors.

NAIS may supposedly start so there is the ability to track animals/food quickly but I doubt that is where it will stop.

[ladycat]

Originally Posted by rambler

It does not directly protect humans from food issues as _no_ food is being tracked, or prevent any animal disease outbreak from ever happening as the data will only be looked at after some outbreak happens. This program will react to animal disease outbreaks. It does not look at food safety, or how to prevent disease, or any of that.

I assume you are not aware of the Bioterrorism Food Act.