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am trying to find some work logging in the new york/new england area....time in my life to do some things differently than I have been ....Move closer to the IMP......so I need to find work for all of my horses!!!!!any help would be appreciated...Lee
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03/25/06, 04:58 PM
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Horselogger, I'm kinda of curious. Let's say a landowner wants several acres logged off. Generally speaking, how much would you pay the landowner per cord of whatever (saw logs or pulp wood, etc) versus a company that uses skidders and other power equipment?
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03/25/06, 05:32 PM
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Horselogger, I sure wish you were closer to Arkansas...I've got my forty acres paid off now, and would like to do some THINning....not clearcutting....would like to use horses, as I'm not interested in getting rich off it, I'd just like to thin the woods a bit...so that the health of the woods would be better...A bunch of my neighbors are clearcutting, and it just tears the land up so badly....and I'm not gonna do that......we are losing so many oaks, due to the red oak borer, that it's hard to tell what is really healthy, and what isn't. I have two oaks leaning over my road right now that are dead, that the wind blew over, and I just haven't had time to pull/cut them out of the way....anyhoo...wish ya luck finding work.........
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03/26/06, 06:35 AM
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Horselogger, keep networking like you are doing.
You might go to some county fairs when you are up their in the late summer.
New England, in particular, has a lot of draft animal events at the fairs. They also seem to have more people logging with draft animals. That could be bad, but I think you have a lot more people aware of the benefits of that pratice too, and a lot more people with smaller parcells of woodlands. As you probably know, getting your first job up there will be the hardest.
Good luck. 
PS There is large fair for all of New England. Its called the Big E (EASTERN States Exposition I think)
http://www.thebige.com/bige.html
Take your horses, you might win the money 
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03/26/06, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cabin Fever
Horselogger, I'm kinda of curious. Let's say a landowner wants several acres logged off. Generally speaking, how much would you pay the landowner per cord of whatever (saw logs or pulp wood, etc) versus a company that uses skidders and other power equipment?
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I find on an average that I charge about 20% more than machinery since it takes a tremendous amount of Physical labor to do what i do.....it isn't something you just decide to do one day!!!!!!it takes a lot of skillls,many of which are unapparent until you try to do them!!!!
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03/26/06, 07:27 PM
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thanks for the encouragement......I am thinking of driving my horses from Montana to new england!!!!!any one up for a wagon train?...or even a ride!!!!
have been thinking of charging a nominal fee to cover my expenses and taking people along the way with me?...anyone up gor something like this?
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03/26/06, 07:27 PM
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Ah yes, but 20-percent compared to being so much more gentle on the land is not such a big deal ...
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03/26/06, 11:35 PM
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Ah yes, but 20-percent compared to being so much more gentle on the land is not such a big deal ...
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...and the thing is....you can see what I do each day....and if you want things done differently than we agreed...I tell you what it will cost...and do them differently....with a machine or 2.....5 acres have been done already...and it is too late to do anything about it!!!!
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03/27/06, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by horselogger
I find on an average that I charge about 20% more than machinery since it takes a tremendous amount of Physical labor to do what i do.....it isn't something you just decide to do one day!!!!!!it takes a lot of skillls,many of which are unapparent until you try to do them!!!!
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So, if I understand you correctly, you harvest the timber (per the landowners desire...clearcut, selective cutting, thinning, etc) and then it's up to the landowner to either sell it (as sawlogs or pulpwood) or use it himself? In other words, you are selling a service and not buying stumpage...right?
The reason I ask the question is that most landowners around me never have to shell out any $$$ to have logging done. The logging companies pay the landowners for the timber they harvest.
I agree, if I could hire a horselogger to selectively cut some of the large pine and poplar on our place, I do it in a heartbeat!
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03/27/06, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabin Fever
So, if I understand you correctly, you harvest the timber (per the landowners desire...clearcut, selective cutting, thinning, etc) and then it's up to the landowner to either sell it (as sawlogs or pulpwood) or use it himself? In other words, you are selling a service and not buying stumpage...right?
The reason I ask the question is that most landowners around me never have to shell out any $$$ to have logging done. The logging companies pay the landowners for the timber they harvest.
I agree, if I could hire a horselogger to selectively cut some of the large pine and poplar on our place, I do it in a heartbeat!
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....as for the timber sale....I find that 25 to 35 dollars an hour is what I have to have...depending upon conditions....I can market the timber....and then pay you...the thing is if you market the timber,(which I will help you do)...you then know what actual costs are...and what you are actually paying me....how many trees are you talking about...and what part of Mn are you in....by the way...take a look at my "wagon ho " post on the singletree!!!!your area may be a place for me to visit on my trip!!!!
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03/27/06, 09:09 AM
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We have about a hundred or so large jackpine and poplar on our 40 acres that really need to be harvested now. They are just starting to die and fall over. Since we also live in the middle of this land, we really don't want mechanical harvesting of the trees with all the associated mess, tree damage and soil compaction. I have a system of trails, and relatively flat land, that should make access easy....and a one room guest cabin that is as cozy as can be. We are in northcentral Minnesota about 30 miles north of Brainerd, MN.
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not to stray off topic but another thing you might consider.. Many of the northern states (maine, NH, VT) have moose season. I was reading an article about a fellow who uses his horse to drag them out.. Makes around $70/hr I believe was what it said.. I'll see if I can't find it if you're interested
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Originally Posted by pcdreams
not to stray off topic but another thing you might consider.. Many of the northern states (maine, NH, VT) have moose season. I was reading an article about a fellow who uses his horse to drag them out.. Makes around $70/hr I believe was what it said.. I'll see if I can't find it if you're interested
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...I have done that with elk!!!!!you use vicks vapor rub on their nose if they are blood shy!!!!!!any more info please?
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03/27/06, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabin Fever
We have about a hundred or so large jackpine and poplar on our 40 acres that really need to be harvested now. They are just starting to die and fall over. Since we also live in the middle of this land, we really don't want mechanical harvesting of the trees with all the associated mess, tree damage and soil compaction. I have a system of trails, and relatively flat land, that should make access easy....and a one room guest cabin that is as cozy as can be. We are in northcentral Minnesota about 30 miles north of Brainerd, MN.
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...if they are falling over they have been dead for a couple of years?...they may have no commercial value at this point...beyond firewood....or pulp.....as a resource and source of info....ask a local logger to come and give you a bid....walk through the woods with him and see what he/they say...it is a good place to start...and you don't have to committ to anythhing!!!!
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