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Old 11/07/05, 06:33 PM
 
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Property owners, need information with no tresspassing signs and purple paint

Can you good people help me to find information on the states that have purple paint as legal posting which means no tresspassing instead of buying and putting up all them signs that read no tresspassing, it is getting expensive since they rip them down, Here in Pennsylvania their is not a law to use purple paint for that purpose and I contacted my state representive last year after the problem in Wisconsin, I believe, where people were shot by a so believe deer hunter after he was told to leave since he was on private property. My representive here in N.E. Pennsylvania is to busy after a year since I contacted him to try and pass a law here, I believe it should be national with all states since some have it. IF SOMEONE else in Pa. wants to try with their rep. in their area maybe we can get one passed. I believe their were threads posted a while back and I cannot locate them, can someone help me with this subject, thanl you in advance

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Old 11/07/05, 06:41 PM
 
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Texas has purple paint as legal posting. Doesn't do much good as the same people that ignore signs ignore the paint.

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Old 11/07/05, 06:45 PM
 
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Maybe the ones that ignore the purple paint, don't know what it means. I've lived here all my life, (60 yrs.) and this is the first I've heard of it. So I'm sure I'm not the only dummy out here.

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Old 11/07/05, 06:50 PM
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What I've found so far...

Feb, 2005, Arkansas, Missouri, and Kansas use purple paint as "no trespassing" notification, but at least 10 other states use colors from orange to lime green.

Read this website, also, but it applies to Texas
http://www.fri.sfasu.edu/pages/resou...ml/posted.html

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Old 11/07/05, 07:14 PM
 
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What if the trespasser is color blind?

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Old 11/07/05, 07:21 PM
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Good luck with your efforts Thumbbuddy.

Here's the statute for Missouri's purple paint law, and some other interesting angles regarding the law.

You might find out if your local/state forestry department, or an organization of foresters in your state have already started lobbying for the law, they would have the most to gain by passing it.

"Posting of property against trespassers, purple paint used to mark streets and posts, requirements--entry on posted property is trespassing in first degree, penalty.

569.145. In addition to the posting of real property as set forth in section 569.140, the owner or lessee of any real property may post the property by placing identifying purple paint marks on trees or posts around the area to be posted. Each paint mark shall be a vertical line of at least eight inches in length and the bottom of the mark shall be no less than three feet nor more than five feet high. Such paint marks shall be placed no more than one hundred feet apart and shall be readily visible to any person approaching the property. Property so posted is to be considered posted for all purposes, and any unauthorized entry upon the property is trespass in the first degree, and a class B misdemeanor."

© Copyright "The headnotes, footnotes, annotations and index of the Missouri Revised Statutes, are used by permission of the Joint Committee on Legislative Research, the copyright holder."

http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes...5690000145.HTM


Trespassing on any private property, whether posted or not, is illegal, but trespassing on posted property is a more serious offense.


"Green Horizons
Volume 5, Number 1
Winter 2000
Purple Paint Law can save valuable lumber

The Purple Paint Law...the best thing since sliced bread! Why would a Tree Farmer/consulting forester make such as a statement? To save money and to make money, that's why.
Purple paint on boundary line trees or fence posts means NO TRESPASSING, just as a green light means go and a red light means stop. But how can the purple paint law possibly save money for a woodland owner?

Just think. In the past, if woodland owners wanted to post their land against trespass, they would almost always nail a sign to a tree.

I have seen black walnut, white oak and red oak veneer logs ruined by such a practice. Think of the hundreds, if not thousands of butt logs, the most valuable log in a tree, that were affected!

In the mid-1990s, the Missouri State Legislature passed the Purple Paint Law, probably never realizing they were going to save millions of future butt logs. The law reads as follows: "The owner or lessee of any real property may post the property by placing identifying purple paint marks on trees or posts around the area to be posted. Each paint mark shall be a vertical line of at least eight inches in length and the bottom of the mark shall be no less than three feet nor more than five feet high. Such paint marks shall be placed no more than 100 feet apart and shall be readily visible to any person approaching the property. Property so posted is to be considered posted for all purposes, and any unauthorized entry upon the property is trespass in the first degree, and a class B misdemeanor".

Another important advantage of purple paint over posted signs is that it cannot be torn down. Also, as fast-growing trees pull the nails through the sign in 2 or 3 years, it loses hold and falls, requiring replacement. And, hunters won't be as tempted to shoot purple paint as they are to shoot signs.

To make the purple paint last longer, before painting a tree, scrape off the loose bark with a draw knife, taking care not to wound the tree. This process will at least double, if not triple the life of the paint mark, anywhere from 4 to 8 years! Smooth-barked trees, such as hickory are perfect to paint.

If you must put up a sign, be sure to nail it to a small, low-value tree of firewood quality. If you aren't sure which trees are low- value, be sure to contact your local consulting forester to assist you! Mistakes can be costly! Any butt log that is saved can mean financial benefit for landowners, loggers and foresters!"

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Old 11/07/05, 07:30 PM
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Hey Highground, better hope they live in an orange or lime green state, huh?

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Exactly what I am trying to get across Yvonne and Ruby, people do not understand laws, when you purchase a hunting license their should be a square box stating "Do you understand what private property means and no tresspassing means". When I approach people on my property and they are hunters the first thing I ask them to do is unload their guns since their is no hunting on the property. I try to prevent an accident in that manner since some get a little loud in some instances. Before hunting season maybe your newspaper can state the meaning of purple paint and tresspassing laws to the public.

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Old 11/07/05, 07:33 PM
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It's not a state, but in Ontario, a red or orange circle is considered the same as a sign, HOWEVER, in addition, if you have a cultivated field or growing or dormant crop, or a woodlot as part of a farm, just the act of cultivating or having a crop on it is also considered the same as putting up a sign.

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Old 11/07/05, 08:38 PM
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I know if you are using purple paint...you have to get the good stuff. Wal-mart purple just doesn't do the trick.

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Get the forestry supply company catalog. They sell rolls of paper no hunting signs. Something like 400 for $20. They last about a year. Take a small ladder with you as you post the signs in order to put them several feet up above reach.

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Anybody know what works in Florida?

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Warning: Vent On!

What annoy's me is that you have to post your land if you want it to be no trespassing? Why is land different? Why do I have to go the expense( time and money) of posting my land just to have the wind and knuckleheads take them down?

Heck If I just walked into a house and parked my but there would be no question that I'm trespassing.

Ok, Vent Off!

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Old 11/09/05, 03:27 PM
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Trespassing on any private property, whether posted or not, is illegal, but trespassing on posted property is a more serious offense.

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What annoy's me is that you have to post your land if you want it to be no trespassing?
Around here we have many public hunting areas that are very poorly defined. The issued maps are incorrect and terribly vague. To make it worse, some of those public hunting areas have small unmarked pockets of private property located within them. Private land adjacent to or within these public hunting areas truly need clear marking to prevent hunters from inadvertently crossing into them.
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Old 11/11/05, 12:03 PM
 
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You are so right about the shot gun...but I want to deter them before it gets to that point. Is purple paint part of the Florida no-tresspassing plan?

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Old 11/11/05, 12:10 PM
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Maybe the ones that ignore the purple paint, don't know what it means. I've lived here all my life, (60 yrs.) and this is the first I've heard of it. So I'm sure I'm not the only dummy out here.
Your not a dummy, I haven't ever heard of purple paint either. Wouldn't know what it ment. Around here the only paint on trees are to remove or keep trees when they harvest them. And a purple color is used to keep trees.
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Old 11/11/05, 12:12 PM
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Basically all you need to do is to post the signs, take a photo of your property with all the signs posted, and when you catch one that has ripped them down and is tresspassing have them arrested and take them to court and argue the case that they ripped the signs down. Along with tresspassing you can get them for criminal tresspassing as they vandilized your property, stole your signs.

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Old 11/11/05, 01:06 PM
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Am I wrong, that if my land is posted, it gives me the right to prosecute tresspassers ?

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Thumbuddy, As a life long PA resident, all I can say is that I certainly hope your local legislator continues to ignore you, and your purple paint proposal. Some idiots, in the rural area where I live, find it necessary to put a flouresent yellow sign on ever freakin' tree they can. The fact is... somebody with no respect for your property rights couldn't care how many stupid signs you pollute the roadsides with, or worse yet, if you go slobbering the forests up with purple paint. If you post the least amount of visible signs at reasonable distances, that's as good as it's gonna' get. The lowlifes are going to ignore them anyway, and the rest of us don't have to look at a picket fence of useless signs, or God forbid, PURPLE PAINT!!!! Sorry if you disagree. We live aside of a camp for very rich out of state children. Every year the absentee owner directs his help to staple up thousands of those signs, sometimes they are on trees five feet apart. Every year, the locals walk along, ripping them down. Nothing more stupid than driving down a backroad past hundreds of fresh, worthless signs, vandalizing a nice patch of woods. Btw, I have a tremendous respect for property rights and have taught my children the same, but I don't have any delusions that excess signs or paint have any value.

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Old 11/11/05, 05:27 PM
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I know if you are using purple paint...you have to get the good stuff. Wal-mart purple just doesn't do the trick.
Our Wal-mart, here in AR, sells the paint made for posting. Spray cans, that are very cheaply priced compared to regular spray paint. Don't know what brand it is, but it's made for that purpose specifically.

I'd ask about it at your local Wal*Mart (unless you're boycotting).
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Wisconsin has some of the best laws on the books regarding trespassing while hunting. A private landowner no longer needs to post their land. Anyone hunting/walking/etc on it must have written permission or they are subject to a fine. Of course it goes without saying that game wardens can only cover so much turf.
And, even a very rational law such isn't foolproof. Many may recall the trespasser-landowner conflict near Birchwood Wisconsin in which the guy flipped out and murdered 6 people. (He was just sentenced last week to 6 life sentences without the possibility of parole).


I have long thought that the deer hunting season effects many rational people and turns them into irrational dolts. Ordinary rational people for 51 weeks out of the year turn into blithering idiots during that 1 week of deer season.
I have seen the nicest people on earth lose every ounce of common sense when deer season comes around.

Last year, one of these temporarily insane people went to a 50 acre parcel of property my mother owns, put up a no trespassing sign and used his own padlock on a gate to keep everyone out but him.

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