Best place for survival?

Firethorn · #1 10/29/05, 01:18 PM

Has anyone put thought in to where the best place to live for survival? Let me explain.

I have thought if we were attacked on American soil. Where would be the best place to be? I lean towards the rockies. Montana-ish or Canada-ish. Idaho. Wyoming. Far out, in the mountain. Your own food, water, electric, ammo.

If it were natural disaster like in the movie "Day After Tomarrow" , then central Texas, Florida would be best.
But we all know how those areas are being torn up by all these hurricanes.
Then north of these you have all the tornadoes.

So if you were thinking strong hold for survival.....

Jethro · #2 10/29/05, 01:43 PM

You're going to use a hollywood movie to determine where to live?????????????????

palani · #3 10/29/05, 01:48 PM

Become a national of your state and hold onto what you got.

Blackstone Book 1 Chapter 10

For it is a principle of universal law,14 that the natural-born subject of one prince cannot by any act of his own, no, not by swearing allegiance to another, put off or discharge his natural allegiance to the former: for this natural allegiance was intrinsic, and primitive, and antecedent to the other; and cannot be divested without the concurrent act of that prince to whom it was first due. Indeed the natural-born subject of one prince, to whom he owes allegiance, may be entangled by subjecting himself absolutely to another; but it is his own act that brings him into these straits and difficulties, of owing service to two masters; and it is unreasonable that, by such voluntary act of his own, he should be able at pleasure to unloose those bands, by which he is connected to his natural prince.

Alex · #4 10/29/05, 02:01 PM

Everything is there/here. Life is good.

Good question we should or have all asked ourselves, and to some degree, we have answered that question or milder versions of it. Our answers are rooted in where we are, aren't they? If we thought about it at all.

All the best to us all,

Alex

sisterpine · #5 10/29/05, 02:14 PM

I actually thought about that prior to moving from Arizona to Montana. Wanted an out of the way place, some sense of self sufficiency available, defensable space etc. So here we are on top of a mountain in the middle of no where montana LOL. wind blows from west most all the time so we only have to worry about storms coming from oregon/washington state as well as ash fall etc. if yellowstone blows it will be on the east side of us !

JAK · #6 10/29/05, 02:39 PM

I kind of like where I am at. Fairly low in population, with lots of forest all around, and access to a large river system and the coast of travel by canoe or sailboat. Mind you, I don't currently have a boat, though I can sail, and we are downwind of a nuclear plant. Bummer.

Cygnet · #7 10/29/05, 03:33 PM

've actually thought northern arizona would be a fairly good place to go, in the remoter parts. Chevlon Canyon, West Clear Creek, etc. Reason being, relatively milder winters and plenty of opportunity for foraging, at least if you like crawdads and nopalinos. If it were a situation where I was truly fleeing people (like a plague or complete anarchy) I could live off the land pretty easily in the high country in the warm months on a diet that would be a bit monotonous but doable; move lower in the winter months -- probably into Hell's Gate or the stretch of the Verde River between Sheep's Crossing and Fossil Creek, or upper Fossil Creek, depending on the weather and the equipment that I had.

Leva

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Originally Posted by sisterpine

I actually thought about that prior to moving from Arizona to Montana. Wanted an out of the way place, some sense of self sufficiency available, defensable space etc. So here we are on top of a mountain in the middle of no where montana LOL. wind blows from west most all the time so we only have to worry about storms coming from oregon/washington state as well as ash fall etc. if yellowstone blows it will be on the east side of us !

sisterpine · #8 10/29/05, 03:36 PM

I think you are correct in your thinking about northern arizona, esp northeastern arizona. Supposedly there is a good water table there, few trees though, but good land for apples and not any major cities, military bases, or nuc power plants in the region.

joe1968m · #9 10/29/05, 04:26 PM

very interesting thread
my vote would be montana, wyoming, or idaho
but winter would be quite a challenge
hope this thread lasts awhile

Explorer · #10 10/29/05, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterpine

I think you are correct in your thinking about northern arizona, esp northeastern arizona. Supposedly there is a good water table there, few trees though, but good land for apples and not any major cities, military bases, or nuc power plants in the region.

True, but we are downwind fro Phoenix/Tucson and their military bases. Are you in the fallout zone from the SAC base in Great Falls?

kitaye · #11 10/29/05, 05:47 PM

Kicking Horse Pass, Canada. Trees, Mtns on all sides, and plenty of fresh water.

Maura · #12 10/29/05, 06:02 PM

The best place to be would be...

with my family

mpillow · #13 10/29/05, 06:13 PM

Potable water
Trees
Few people
Game

I'm heading to camp on the Dead River.

ace admirer · #14 10/29/05, 06:20 PM

Things are so globle now, i wonder if there IS any good place?

scary talk,,, dont know where , but i would say NOT anywhere along the prevailing winds from atlanta, georgia north, north east. i would say look at a prevailing winds chart and look at any major city as a source of comtaimination. not along any major path of automobile transportation (interstates or large highways)

ok, i play the devils advocate better than anything else (i used to get paid to do it). saw all the panic and primortal acts during the latest few storms? what would happen if the same panic happened at several large cities at the same time.. lets say atlantia, new york, the windy city, la, washington of course. it would be every dog for himself. i don't think it would have to Be an actual occurance. i think one occurance coupled with a few fakes could trigger it. it doesn't have to be atomic,,,,well not thermo, it could be dirty. say acutual dirty in atlantia to follow the winds or maybe actual in Washington for long term effect, then a few large explosions in four major citys to memic dirty. it could be bio....at the same time of a natural outbreak (bird flue for instance). people would be like the cattle stampeds on the early saturday morning westerns. good grief....let me talk about something else......

Tracy Rimmer · #15 10/29/05, 06:28 PM

"Canada-ish"? You do realize that "Canada" covers a LOT of territory, right?

Tracy

Farmer Willy · #16 10/29/05, 06:47 PM

The answer all depends----depends on what you are facing, how far you are willing to go to survive. I figure the Dark Ages of the past were not so much because of their technology, but because it became a dog eat dog world after Roman control fell apart. So, true survival will be a matter of who you band up with and just how brutal or barbaric they and you become. Sound cold?? It does to me. Nice homestead with plenty of food, daughters, livestock or useable goods?? Seems to me you become prime picking, especially if you are isolated from neighbors or help. You might make a stand, you may kill off some of your attackers, but count the headstones of pioneers and homesteaders from 200 years ago, even better armed they weren't immune to quick raids. Sorry if it sounds depressing, but it has been the history of man. New world or Old, it was always the isolated farm or week village that was most pillaged by those with little moral restraint. The whole idea driving most warrior society was to prey on those outside of the band/tribe/clan. Now, if you want to talk about lesser disasters then your survival odds can be increased by your solo efforts. I myself believe that chance favors the well prepared, that our odds of surviving are better if I take actions now. Layoff, bad weather, disasters? By all means prepare as best you can. Complete social breakdown? Decide just how bad you want to survive, then you can start with those moral questions that will pop up. Getting back to the question, there will probably be no best place after a while, just different areas controlled by one group or another.

norris · #17 10/29/05, 07:01 PM

Survive what?
Think of worst case scenario...foreign troops on our soil, social discord, looting etc. We already can't trust our own government and media. Police will become confiscators...they will be the enemy.
You don't want to live in any city.
You don't want to live in the South in the summer knowing that electricity will seldom be on.
Montana and Idaho are good places for freedom, but there are some minor disadvantages. Short growing season. It will be a forgone conclusion that enemy combatants will start fires and easily convert the Rockies into a moonscape.
Missouri/Arkansas has many advantages...tolerable growing season, terrain and vegetation make it easy to escape aggression or conceal your activities. With the high rainfall and hardwood forests fire is less of a risk. Disadvantages; lots of local rif raf will be hungry and looking to raid your supplies. Most tracts have poor soil for self sufficiency.

southrngardngal · #18 10/29/05, 07:04 PM

The best place I could be is with my family also. We were on the outer edges of "Katrina". No power for a week. We made it all right. It was hot but we got a few hours of sleep each night and ate a lot of sandwiches but we made it.

The way some of the people reacted during the hard times brought on by the hurricanes really made me set up and think. I just pray that if we (my family and I) are in the situation that the coastal areas were in, that we would react in a different manner. Knocking each other down and stomping each other while we are down makes us no different than dogs. We aren't supposed to be like that. We are supposed to act like humans.

Don't get me wrong. I know those people were in dire straits but what good did it do to behave in the manner they behaved in? It caused more hurt and pain.

As for a national attack I don't think I would leave my home. I would fight for it but if I died I would just die. No need to run if you can't hide!

Jeff54321 · #19 10/29/05, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Firethorn

if we were attacked on American soil.

Is the Bush administration planning another one?

texican · #20 10/29/05, 08:35 PM

I like the "idea" of MT, WY, or ID as a great place to be in a survival situation... Question you have to ask yourself...have you ever cut trees down with an axe, I'm talking lots and lots of trees, and bucked it with crosscut saws? and have the tools and knowledge to sharpen the crosscut saw??? Cause from my experience, it gets mighty cold in the winter. And unless you've got a natural gas well nearby and the ways and means to tap into it and keep it running, wood is your main heat source...and it takes a lot to stay warm... Remember, chainsaws make noise, and noise attracts the hordes seeking your family's food supply.... and you'll run out of gasoline eventually....

I agree from a defensive standpoint the mountains are the best. I question the availability of a long growing period, sustainability of game *migrations*...of course wild game would get scarce in a hurry in a SHTF scenario.... I think the key is to make your place your at now as sustainable and defensible as possible,and keep on hand all of the tools you'll need in case we all go back to medieval times...and know how to use em and maintain em...