Bible verses

[Irish Pixie]

Do you know anyone in real life that uses Bible verses in regular conversation? I know many religious people and seldom will they use a Bible verse, or refer to the Bible, in conversation. They may say they'll pray for someone or a situation but to actually verbalize a passage from the Bible is very rare in my opinion.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

Do you know anyone in real life that uses Bible verses in regular conversation?
I know many religious people and seldom will they use a Bible verse, or refer to the Bible, in conversation.
They may say they'll pray for someone or a situation but to actually verbalize a passage from the Bible is very rare in my opinion.

Yes ma'am!
I do.
My gf does.
My son does.
Husband and Wife that our boys played on the same team (years ago).

But I agree with your underlined statement too.

[Irish Pixie]

Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

Yes ma'am!
I do.
My gf does.
My son does.
Husband and Wife that our boys played on the same team (years ago).

But I agree with your underlined statement too.

Why? Why do you use parables from the Bible to describe everyday things? Wouldn't be better (and less confusing) to use a real life example?

Perhaps it's the company we keep, I have a tendency to stay away from people that at best annoy me, and at worst make no sense whatsoever.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

Why? Why do you use parables from the Bible to describe everyday things?

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, because I am a Believer, and Follower of Christ, it is woven into who I am.
It is my source of Life and Strength, my Peace (when I chose it ) and my foundation.

Wouldn't be better (and less confusing) to use a real life example?

That is what Jesus did when He used parables. A lot of His Teachings are related to 'farming' or 'bread making' or 'building'.
Things folks did every day.
I do try to speak in terms that are 'real time tangible', but also the deeper Spiritual meaning behind it all....again, it's just woven into who I am.

Perhaps it's the company we keep, I have a tendency to stay away from people that at best annoy me, and at worst make no sense whatsoever.

Trust me.....I get the whole annoying thing. What grates my backside are 'churchy catch phrases'. Glib comments that have no basis in Scripture, but sound all 'churchyfied".

[Murramarang]

Nope....and if I did, I probably avoid them in future.

I have great respect for folks who have deep religious belief, but no time for those who can't live in the modern world without sprouting King James Version of texts in conversation. I find it creepy...

[Irish Pixie]

There are a few things I don't understand, why is it OK to wear blended material, eat seafood and pork, and a woman can cut her hair but no longer acceptable to beat your wife and children, trade your daughter in marriage for 3 cows and a pig, or have multiple wives? All in the Bible, but some are now part of everyday life.

It just seems odd to me that most people that "live by the Bible" pick and choose what they think is correct and should be followed.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

There are a few things I don't understand, why is it OK to wear blended material, eat seafood and pork, and a woman can cut her hair but no longer acceptable to beat your wife and children, trade your daughter in marriage for 3 cows and a pig, or have multiple wives? All in the Bible, but some are now part of everyday life.

It just seems odd to me that most people that "live by the Bible" pick and choose what they think is correct and should be followed.

I understand the confusion!

It's like if I handed you an instruction manual on how to build a machine.
The manual is 100 pages.
The first 50 are about turning raw material into workable useable parts.
Lots of fire, melting, blacksmithing, messy crazy stuff.
Now, if I didn't give you the last 50 pages that tells you how to take this raw material and turn it into working parts, you'd look at the instructions and say "this is stupid".
And really, it would look stupid!!
But when I give you the last 50 pages of instructions that helps you to see the WHOLE process, start to finish.
THEN the first 50 pages makes sense, now that you understand the last 50 pages.

You have a couple of choices.
Look at the raw materials and the first 50 pages of the manual and say:
This is stupid I am not building it nor am I gonna even try to understand it.
Or
You look at the whole 100 pages, get the start to finish story...then make your decision if you want to build or not.
Logically, one would read all 100 pages, then decide if the machine is worth the effort, not just read half and make the decision it's 'stupid' without knowing the whole story.

[KENNY DAVIS]

It's more than words to those who believe.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[Irish Pixie]

Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

I understand the confusion!

It's like if I handed you an instruction manual on how to build a machine.
The manual is 100 pages.
The first 50 are about turning raw material into workable useable parts.
Lots of fire, melting, blacksmithing, messy crazy stuff.
Now, if I didn't give you the last 50 pages that tells you how to take this raw material and turn it into working parts, you'd look at the instructions and say "this is stupid".
And really, it would look stupid!!
But when I give you the last 50 pages of instructions that helps you to see the WHOLE process, start to finish.
THEN the first 50 pages makes sense, now that you understand the last 50 pages.

You have a couple of choices.
Look at the raw materials and the first 50 pages of the manual and say:
This is stupid I am not building it nor am I gonna even try to understand it.
Or
You look at the whole 100 pages, get the start to finish story...then make your decision if you want to build or not.
Logically, one would read all 100 pages, then decide if the machine is worth the effort, not just read half and make the decision it's 'stupid' without knowing the whole story.

I'm more confused now, was that a parable?, why are some things OK now even though they are forbidden in all parts of the Bible?

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

I'm more confused now, was that a parable?, why are some things OK now even though they are forbidden in all parts of the Bible?

Naw, I was doing as you suggested!

"Wouldn't be better (and less confusing) to use a real life example?"

When Christ died on the cross, and rose, He 'fulfilled' the requirements of the Law.
We, Believers, no longer have to follow the letter of the Law, as the way to Salvation.
Our Salvation is a Gift. It is our gift from Him when we Believe.
The Law still stands....but it is not our Way to Salvation.

If you look at the Law (IE: how to handle mold and mildew)......God put that in there to protect His people.
Imagine 2 million folks, in the desert.
What happens if they do not practice proper sanitation?
Disease spreads like wild fire.
They did not have proper refridgeration.
Sickness would spread like wildfire. Those Laws were put in place to protect His people.

Another thing about studying the Word, is the OT was written in Hebrew.
The NT in Greek. Doing a deep word study into the original languages really opens up the truly intended meaning (before the english translation).

Hope this helps!!

[Irish Pixie]

Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

Naw, I was doing as you suggested!
When Christ died on the cross, and rose, He 'fulfilled' the requirements of the Law.
We, Believers, no longer have to follow the letter of the Law, as the way to Salvation.
Our Salvation is a Gift. It is our gift from Him when we Believe.
The Law still stands....but it is not our Way to Salvation.

If you look at the Law (IE: how to handle mold and mildew)......God put that in there to protect His people.
Imagine 2 million folks, in the desert.
What happens if they do not practice proper sanitation?
Disease spreads like wild fire. They do not have proper refridgeration.
Sickness would spread like wildfire. Those Laws were put in place to protect His people.

Another thing about studying the Word, is the OT was written in Hebrew.
The NT in Greek. Doing a deep word study into the original languages really opens up the truly intended meaning (before the english translation).

Hope this helps!!

So that's why it's OK to pick and choose which Biblical laws to uphold? Leviticus is OT but is still used to call homosexuality an abomination.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

So that's why it's OK to pick and choose which Biblical laws to uphold? Leviticus is OT but is still used to call homosexuality an abomination.

It's not a pick and choose....
Homosexuality is addressed in the NT too. (page 9, post #270 / page 10 post # 271,272,280)

Again, back to my 'real life' example:
If the builder does not have / understand all 100 pages of the manual, he cannot build the machine.
Once given all 100 pages, the builder has to make a choice if he wants to actually read and understand the manual, then decide if he wants to build.
If he chooses not to read and understand, or build, then that is his choice.
However, he should not lash out at his coworkers who chose to read and understand and build.
He made his choice, and they made theirs.

[jen74145]

Yes. Most are older folks and that's just how they are, no harm, no foul.

But some absolutely do use it to justify cruelty. Just IME. The worst was a christian playgroup I joined for my little boy; you can probably surmise how that one went.


WRT the relevance of religion itself these days, I go for the overall message of grace and figure He'll help me figure out the rest someday. I try not to dwell too much on the eyebrow raising, heart breaking if pondered too deeply, OT. And I don't believe we are under the law anymore, so depending on who you talk to I'm either going to hell for even having questions, or a normal human being. LOL

[Irish Pixie]

Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

It's not a pick and choose....
Homosexuality is addressed in the NT too. (page 9, post #270 / page 10 post # 271,272,280)

Again, back to my 'real life' example: If the builder does not have / understand all 100 pages of the manual, he cannot build the machine.
Once given all 100 pages, the builder has to make a choice if he wants to actually read and understand the manual, then decide if he wants to build.
If he chooses not to read and understand, or build, then that is his choice.
However, he should not lash out at his coworkers who chose to read and understand and build.
He made his choice, and they made theirs.

I still don't understand how a builder can read the manual, pick and choose what he/she wants in their building, construct it and expect it work without all the parts? If you're going to use the Bible as a repair manual don't you have to use all of it? After all, you can't have a building without a foundation, support beams, and braces... If you decide the support beams are "bad" and leave them out your building is going to fall down.

I just don't understand how someone can use the Bible as a basis for life and then choose what they will accept and reject. If you say it's OK to eat seafood, get a tattoo, or cut your hair why is it then OK to reject homosexuality, beating your wife and children, or not trading your daughter for 3 cows and a pig?

[Big Dave]

What I see left out is the LORD has given you freedom of choice. Following Mosaic law will help you live a better life in many ways. Remember Holy Scriture is called the Bible. What does that stand for?
B basic
I instructions
B before
L leaving
E earth
Hope this helps clear you up.

[Sonshine]

For those that try to live according to the Bible it's hard to seperate from what it teaches, so we use it when explaining things. As for the old laws, when Jesus came, he came to fullfill the law. This is why we no longer offer sacrifices, because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. If this is an issue about homesexuality, it's not just talked about in the Old Testament, but a couple of places in the New Testament also. To many of us our faith is not religion, it's a relationship. I could no more stop talking about my faith in God and Jesus than I could stop talking about my DS, because all are very much a part of who I am. I try not to sound preachy and usually refer to scriptures without actually quoting them, but if asked I could give the scripture references for what I post. Hope that makes sense.

[whodunit]

I tend not to quote Scripture but, when appropriate, offer biblical wisdom and advise without the reference. If they want to know more, I'm willing.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

I still don't understand how a builder can read the manual, pick and choose what he/she wants in their building, construct it and expect it work without all the parts?

You are so right about that. You cannot build a machine correctly, if you pick and chose what instructions to follow!!

If you're going to use the Bible as a repair manual don't you have to use all of it?

Absolutely!! From "In the beginning" to "Amen".
You need the whole thing.

After all, you can't have a building without a foundation, support beams, and braces... If you decide the support beams are "bad" and leave them out your building is going to fall down.

Absolutely. The most important part of a building is the foundation. If it's not right, eventually the whole thing will crumble.

I just don't understand how someone can use the Bible as a basis for life and then choose what they will accept and reject.

If they are 'choosing' then they are not using Scripture as the basis of life.

If you say it's OK to eat seafood, get a tattoo, or cut your hair why is it then OK to reject homosexuality, beating your wife and children, or not trading your daughter for 3 cows and a pig?

That's where the 'understand' part comes in.
IE: shellfish. Think of the lack of proper refrigeration / ability to store it, etc and HOW toxic it can be to a human when not handled properly.
It's not ok to get a tattoo. But getting one will not send you to hell.
Cutting your hair (this is where the Hebrew and Greek comes in) is not so much 'literal' as it is explaining a deeper meaning.(NT)
Remember the OT was about 'Laws and keeping them"
When Jesus came and died for our sins, He fulfilled all the Laws requirements, so we don't have too.....for the sake of Salvation.
I hope that better explains.

[vicki in NW OH]

Originally Posted by Irish Pixie

There are a few things I don't understand, why is it OK to wear blended material, eat seafood and pork, and a woman can cut her hair but no longer acceptable to beat your wife and children, trade your daughter in marriage for 3 cows and a pig, or have multiple wives? All in the Bible, but some are now part of everyday life.

It just seems odd to me that most people that "live by the Bible" pick and choose what they think is correct and should be followed.

I read this all the time on the HT forum when discussing Scripture, about picking and choosing scripture verses.

The OT has 3 types of laws: Moral, ceremonial, civic.

The moral law is based on natural law. This includes the 10 commandments. Moral law pertains to all societies. That is why some folks argue that the 10 commandments weren't unique to the Jews. Of course they weren't. God gave the natural law to all people in all times. By giving the 10 commandments to the Jews, God was making His law clear, (writing them in stone, that they are permanent).

The ceremonial laws pertain to Jewish worship, particularly what they were to follow at that place and time. The ceremonial laws were adapted and changed to reflect Christian worship. After Jesus' death and resurrection, OT temple worship became a celebration of the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

The civic laws pertain to that particular place and time, i.e., the food laws, building laws, etc. We no longer have to follow OT civic laws because we live in a different time and society. We can, however, follow the general spirit of the OT law, make sure food is healthy and safe, building codes for safety, etc.

As far as quoting Scripture in everyday conversation, I believe as St. Francis. "It is no use walking anywhere to preach unless our walking is our preaching." "When you are proclaiming peace with your lips, be careful to have it even more fully in your heart."

[HeelSpur]

Yes, my uncle can't have a normal conversation w/o preaching in one way or another.
I actually believe its worse than people who can't speak two words w/o saying something about politics.