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Old 05/05/12, 06:31 PM
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American Gypsies?

I see a new spin off of the European Gypsy Wedding show on tv now. It follows "American Gypsies."

We all know there have been bands of gypsies in other countries for thousands of years, but in the USA???? On the show they dress in flamboyant clothes, have little education, live in a male dominated culture, and the girls are married young and dress like street walkers, dance like strippers, but are supposed to be so chaste that they never even kiss a member of the opposite sex before marriage.

Who are these people? I was born and raised in this country and never heard of Gypsies or "travelers", as they call themselves on the show. Is this for real?

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Old 05/05/12, 06:45 PM
 
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Yes.. It is for real.

My mom used to tell me about the gypsies that lived near us when I was a baby. I am guessing they were different from what you see on tv today, but they were definitely gypsies. I'll leave it at that.

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Old 05/05/12, 06:56 PM
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We had some that lived down the road from us for a while when I was growing up. They did not dress weird, mostly kept to themselves. I do remember that they lived in falling down mobile homes crowded together on their plot, but drove brand new corvettes.

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Old 05/05/12, 07:29 PM
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Oh yes in the USA. My Grandparents told me they had gypsies around the area. Parked their wagon and such just out of town limits.

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Wow, this is news to me! The only gypsies I know of are the ones I read about in my James Herriott novels. Of course, here in the high desert of Southern Idaho, it might not be a great stopping place for them!

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My grandfather remembered gypsies coming to town when he was a child so about 1925. His grandmother would tie him to her if she had to go outside with him for fear he'd be stolen.

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Old 05/05/12, 07:53 PM
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Gypsies are definitely in the U.S.

About 40 years ago, my father became gravely ill in Louisville, KY and I flew up there to be with the family as I was still in Texas after my folks moved there. A man who the nurses called the "king of the gypsies" was in intensive care at the same hospital. Families came from all over, most of them pulling travel trailers or driving motor homes that were parked in the parking lots of the hospital. They were in the halls, everywhere; the police finally had to tell them that only a few could be in the hospital at once.

Several years ago there were some home improvement scams reportedly run by gypsies praying on homeowners that had tornado damage in the DFW area. I think most are from Romania.

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Cher released a song a looong time ago, sung from the perspective of a young gypsy woman. I believe the title was "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves"...the next segment "you hear it from the people of the town..." In the song, one of the way they made money was the women dancing "but every night all the men would come around, and lay their money down."

Anyway, I always assumed then, that there were gypsies in America.

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We always saw gypsies when I was a kid, they would park in the farmers market lot and set up shop.

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Old 05/05/12, 08:09 PM
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Wow, they must have some similar ethnic background in another country or something. Maybe they are known in only certain regions of the US.

I thought the US show was just trying to create Gypsies since the Euro show was so popular. I guess they really do exist here...

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Fun reading Gypsy Travelers put it in a search . Think those guys running around selling tools are travelers .

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My town is under a Gypsie curse. Some years ago a bunch were camped in the city park. There is a low head dam there and a 12 year old Gypsie boy was swimming and drowned. His Grandmother put a curse on the town. Far as I can tell it hasn't had much effect.

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My MIL tells of when she was a child in northern OK and one day her parents had to leave the homestead and go into town. The oldest boy was in charge and they saw a wagon of folks coming up the road. Brother put all the children in a closet, but MIL was the littlest one and had to go up on the closet shelf. Some one knocked and knocked but none of the children would answer. After a bit they heard the wagon leaving. All of the tools that were outside were gone and so were all the chickens and most of the vegetables from the garden. That would have been in the late 20s and she swears that they were gypsies and that they would steal children.

In the mid 50s I know there were gypsies in south OK as my g'parents would let them camp on the property. We never had any negative experiences w them. They had beautiful horses and one of the older women would sit w my g'ma and they would chat in the evenings. I was fascinated because she was the first woman I ever saw smoking a pipe. My g'ma dipped snuff. I would sneak up and sit as quiet as a church mouse under the porch to hear them chatting.

The old lady even told my grandmother where to find a ring my gm had lost. I was never allowed to go into any of their wagons. They would give me little toys and carved dolls. And when they left there would always be a stack of chopped wood and some fresh caught fish or other game left on the back porch.

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Bunches of them life just outside of a town in SC... gigantic mansions, and until the mansion is paid off, they live in a trailer in the backyard. Keep to themselves, mostly and 'travel' at certain seasons.

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My impression, maybe wrong, is there are gypsies we think of as those from central Europe, who tell fortunes, supposed to steal babies, like horses, etc.

Then there are the Irish Gypsies or 'travelers'.

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Wow, they must have some similar ethnic background in another country or something. Maybe they are known in only certain regions of the US.

I thought the US show was just trying to create Gypsies since the Euro show was so popular. I guess they really do exist here...
Gypsies are generally of Romani decent, but racially named as a slur Gypsy i.e. short for Egyptian.

The Travelers, or Irish Travelers, are, as their names states generally Irish in decent.

Both cultures are living and thriving in the U.S. and have been for many generations.

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We have a whole community here. About 4 or 5 family names. All of the women dress the same from old to young. Long hair, lots of make-up, high heels and short skirts. The clan is patriarch in nature with a "king". I worked at a local funeral home and we were the funeral home that did all of gypsy funerals. When the king spoke, they obeyed without question. The ones here typically do paving and do a good job if you watch them closely. You can only deal in cash with them here. Now they have to marry outsiders because there aren't as many of them. A lot of the men are barrel-chested and do not live to see 65. (At least this is the way it was when I worked at the funeral home over 10 years ago.)

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Gypsies are generally of Romani decent, but racially named as a slur Gypsy i.e. short for Egyptian.

The Travelers, or Irish Travelers, are, as their names states generally Irish in decent.

Both cultures are living and thriving in the U.S. and have been for many generations.

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You explained it better.

I remember seeing the Romani gypsies when I was a child.

The part about stealing babies wasn't mean as fact, just the old folklore.

It was only fairly recently that I heard of the Irish Travelers or gypsies. Probably we have seen them, just didn't recognize them as such. A few years ago, some lady was caught on tape on a Wal Mart parking lot, treating her child badly and she was said to be an Irish Traveler -
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You explained it better.

I remember seeing the Romani gypsies when I was a child.

The part about stealing babies wasn't mean as fact, just the old folklore.

It was only fairly recently that I heard of the Irish Travelers or gypsies. Probably we have seen them, just didn't recognize them as such. A few years ago, some lady was caught on tape on a Wal Mart parking lot, treating her child badly and she was said to be an Irish Traveler -
Charlie Chaplin was born of Romani parents in the back of a "gypsy" wagon.

Irish Travelers and Rom (as they preferred to be called) Gypsy folk are completely and totally different.

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I was in Dearborn flirting with one of them.Her Mom put a curse on me but would take it off if I paid the right amount.

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