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08/12/10, 05:35 AM
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Mass. Resident Fined $2000. for no Health Ins.
Are You ready to deal with this on a National Level ?
It is All ready happening in Mass. where We are required to have health insurance or be fined by the state .
They tried to surcharge Us $600 . last year on Our taxes , but We were able to prove that We did have coverage , but it was still a pain in the butt.
Bob
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1273475
Try and read some of the over 450 comments to see what people Really think about Mass Health and Obozo Care .
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...s#CommentsArea
Don't forget Obozo's aunt Zetuni a ( Undocumented Tourist ) who is living in free housing with free medical and food and has now become a US Citizen .
Just proves it is not what You know but WHO You Know .
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2515402/posts
And for those that think It's only from a left wing bloger 
Here it is from Chicken Noodle News
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...id=_pMhNFMPd0w
Bob
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08/12/10, 05:42 AM
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Sorry for the double post , I went to correct a spelling error and it posted a second time ? Mod's feel free to delete the other post .
Thanks
Bob
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08/12/10, 09:37 AM
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Ok, I'll bite. Why do you capitalize so many words? Is it a secret code for something?
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08/12/10, 12:06 PM
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Ok, I'll bite. Why do you capitalize so many words? Is it a secret code for something?
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Ok, I'll Bite. Did You Read The Article? If So, Do You Have Anything Constructive To Add To The Information Provided?
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Originally Posted by Bandit
Are You ready to deal with this on a National Level ?
It is All ready happening in Mass. where We are required to have health insurance or be fined by the state .
They tried to surcharge Us $600 . last year on Our taxes , but We were able to prove that We did have coverage , but it was still a pain in the butt.
Bob
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I'm in this guys boat. The GF has coverage thru her work, but I doubt very seriously that it will be for long, small company <1000 employees.
The mandated coverage is way too expensive.
And being jobless or of lower income doesn't help either.
And what are the college kids supposed to do? Those that are not covered or too old to be covered under their parents/guardians policy?
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08/12/10, 12:18 PM
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And what are the college kids supposed to do? Those that are not covered or too old to be covered under their parents/guardians policy?
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From my understanding they raised the age for which a child can be covered under the parents insurance to 26 to take care of that.
The bigger question is federal powers.. The question will be answered soon, likely at the supreme court.
Does congress under the commerce clause have the power to mandate a citizen to buy a product/service (insurance) from a private for profit company? The administration is saying they have this authority under the commerce clause under their authority to tax. Thay claim they have the authority to tax inactivity. Our "limited government" will no longer be limited at all outside the realm of religion.
Does the commerce clause, for which the definition of commerce was handed to congress by the supreme court in FDR's administration, have the authority to define "doing nothing" as an act of commerce it can tax and regulate?
Can abstaining from an economic activity, abstaining from commerce, be declared an act of commerce and fall under congress authority to tax you for it?
If so, then there is literally no limit to the federal governments power, and they could force us to buy a specific model of Chevrolet car, a specific brand or kind of food, or a specific set of clothing, anything congress can declare benefits the public good. Absolutely no aspect however minute of a citizens life will be outside the authority of congress to regulate.
The OP is about state governments power, which is altogether different, and is not limited by the federal constitution, but only by the states constitution.
Might be the biggest constitutional challenge and decision of our times.
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08/12/10, 12:29 PM
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I am missing something here or did ALL logic go out the window when they wrote this law? Common sense would say, if they really want us to have Health INSURANCE, we will be forced to buy 2000$ Insurance, not fined 2000$ and still not have insurance.
Ray Charles can see this is a scam to get your money for free. As AP said - college kids? Kids starting out? And this guy the story is about. What is the percentage of people hanging on a foreclosure, or some other mishap, and cannot sell their house in this down market?
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08/12/10, 12:32 PM
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30 years ago, when I attended the University of Massachusetts, all students were required to have health insurance. You either proved you had some or the university tacked a health insurance fee onto your bill.
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08/12/10, 12:42 PM
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I am a resident of MA. I do not have health insurance, however I have not been fined. I am one of the 4% of the population that falls between the cracks here. I make to much $$ to qualify for any state assistance, but according to thier scale, I do not make enough to pay for it on my own.I work for a very small office (2 employees) and they don't offer health coverage. My husband has medicade thru the state becuase he is disabled, and they will cover my daughter until she is 19, but I have to pay for it $160/ month. They will not cover me. Really Stupid
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08/12/10, 12:59 PM
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Let's not all for get that this Mass model was written and put in place by a frontrunner for the GOP presidential nod in 2012, Mitt Romney. How does he explain that?
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08/12/10, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Txrider
Can abstaining from an economic activity, abstaining from commerce, be declared an act of commerce and fall under congress authority to tax you for it?
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How can we be taxed for abstaining from commerce?
That's like a tax for just EXISTING on this planet.
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08/12/10, 01:16 PM
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well I see a lot more criminals being "created"
November can not come soon enough!
"newcomer Rick Snyder defeated the current Michigan attorney general, a longtime congressman, two other favored candidates to win the Republican nomination for state Governor "
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08/12/10, 02:14 PM
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And what are the college kids supposed to do? Those that are not covered or too old to be covered under their parents/guardians policy?
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I don't have health insurance so the law about coverage on the parent's policy won't help my college student. I bought her insurance through her school last year....this year I received notice that the fee had gone up 54%!!! But only for those (such as medical students) who are required to be insured. So at her school, she is not only NOT required to have coverage, they are trying to dump off as many kids as possible. Her job isn't full-time so nothing there either.
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08/12/10, 02:53 PM
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I don't have health insurance so the law about coverage on the parent's policy won't help my college student. I bought her insurance through her school last year....this year I received notice that the fee had gone up 54%!!! But only for those (such as medical students) who are not required to be insured. So at her school, she is not only NOT required to have coverage, they are trying to dump off as many kids as possible. Her job isn't full-time so nothing there either.
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I feel your pain, our oldest daughter is in her 4th year Med student, works 2 almost (30 hrs) full-time jobs, bosses will not let her go over hours. We carried her up until this year, now she doesn't know how she can afford to go to school, pay med ins., eat and LIVE. Something will have to be dropped.
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08/12/10, 03:01 PM
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Our HC just doubled, so we had to change providers. Dh is Union. He just informed me this week, that his pension will be cut by 200. per month and that $ will be going to Medicare. We are going to be Taxed by the month x12 on the part of the HC that is payed by his Union. This is just the beginning folks. This is why we marched in DC, have called written and are working on repealing this new HC law. Vote the Bums out.
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08/12/10, 03:28 PM
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How can we be taxed for abstaining from commerce?
That's like a tax for just EXISTING on this planet.
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That is the legal argument being put forth by our administration as the legal authority they possess to mandate we buy health insurance.
They argue that their taxing authority can compel us act or be taxed.
Several states are challenging it, and last week the judge in ruling that he will not dismiss the state of Virginia's case as the feds had asked said this...
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On the merits, Judge Hudson wrote that the government did not show that Virginia's complaint failed to state a claim upon which relief could be granted. He wrote that the mandate was novel--a congressional attempt to regulate a decision "not to participate in interstate commerce"--and that the law was unsettled:
"While this case raises a host of complex constitutional issues, all seem to distill to the single question of whether or not Congress has the power to regulate--and tax--a citizen's decision not to participate in interstate commerce. Neither the U.S. Supreme Court nor any circuit court of appeals has squarely addressed this issue. No reported case from any federal appellate court has extended the Commerce Clause or Tax Clause to include the regulation of a person's decision not to purchase a product, notwithstanding its effect on interstate commerce."
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I am an employer, I run a small business I started 10 year ago. I pay 100% of all insurance for my employees... Until now. After actuall going down a bit last year, and having been steady for years... Our insurance jumped 37% this year..
This is one reason why unemployment is not going down, but up. Any more costs and I'll have to let people go, not hire new employees. And I may be taxed on the insurance premiums I pay for employees, as well as tax hikes at the end of the year, and they plan to push through a huge energy bill that will pass down carbon costs to me and I'm just not sure what else. It'll take me a year to get through all mess and figure it out. The mega bills are thousands of pages, and much of the actual costs and regulations are parceled out to "committees" to invent "soon" some of which don't even exist yet. Even the president and congress cannot explain them, nor explain their impact on business accurately.
I don't mind health care reform, or tax reform, or even bailouts, and would gladly debate the value of such things from either side of the aisle...
But the sheer stupidity of this congress and president selfishly ramming through their ideological agenda, in massive unread bills, in this time of crisis, is almost criminal. I doubt they could have made things more uncertain for small businessmen, made it more difficult for business to plan and budget and predict their costs of hiring and doing business, and killed any recovery from this recession any worse if they had planned to intentionally.
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08/12/10, 04:32 PM
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But the sheer stupidity of this congress and president selfishly ramming through their ideological agenda, in massive unread bills, in this time of crisis, is almost criminal. I doubt they could have made things more uncertain for small businessmen, made it more difficult for business to plan and budget and predict their costs of hiring and doing business, and killed any recovery from this recession any worse if they had planned to intentionally.
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Cause to ponder upon....
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08/12/10, 04:42 PM
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Let's not all for get that this Mass model was written and put in place by a frontrunner for the GOP presidential nod in 2012, Mitt Romney. How does he explain that?
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We also should remember that this was a republican governor in a democratic state , with a democratic senate and house .
p://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/04/AR2006040401937.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...0401937_2.html
Romney care is not the same as Obozo care , there is a difference
to quote Chicken Noodle News
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/...are/index.html
Bob
Ps.
I hope no one got there panty's in a knot over this post ?
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08/12/10, 07:43 PM
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maybe the rest of us are sick of covering the bills of the people who done get insurance and can't pay the bill... so the hospitals jack up the rates for the rest of us to cover the bills
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08/12/10, 08:27 PM
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maybe the rest of us are sick of covering the bills of the people who done get insurance and can't pay the bill... so the hospitals jack up the rates for the rest of us to cover the bills
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The problem with that argument is that it's a fallacy.
There are MANY uninsured people who don't use services at your cost, or they DO pay their bills... and yet you are forcing them to pay for those others.
So, it's not really about justice, fairness, or anything of that sort.
Furthermore, if your argument was legitimate the cost of insurance would have decreased in Massachusetts.
But guess what? The cost increases of insurance have actually increase OVER the rate that they were. http://www.darkdaily.com/battles-in-...e-premiums-804
So, what you're really supporting is corporate robbery being aided and abetted by the government... and they are both getting richer. The government takes more and so does the corporation. Yup, a match made in heaven.
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08/12/10, 08:45 PM
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Does congress under the commerce clause have the power to mandate a citizen to buy a product/service (insurance) from a private for profit company?
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Actually, it's the 'Good and Welfare Clause' that gives them power to mandate we buy health insurance. Rep. Conyers said so.
Never mind that there is no 'good and welfare clause' in the Constitution.....or any place else except in Conyer's imagination. 
John Conyers is Chairman of the House Committee on the Judiciary....the committee responsible for overseeing law enforcement, justice in the federal courts & impeachment of federal officials. 
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