G.M. food biology assignment - Homesteading Today
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of Homesteading Today!    
Homesteading Today

Go Back   Homesteading Today > General Homesteading Forums > Countryside Families


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 08/17/09, 02:25 PM
chickenmommy's Avatar
nosey, but disinterested
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,220
G.M. food biology assignment

I am supposed to do research on a genetically modified product of some sort, my choice. The info I have to give: What specifically has been modified with the product? How long has it been on the market? How much of the total genome has been modified? in general is there any way to know if you are eating the product versus normal version. Should consumers be told they are consuming a genetically modified product? How might a genetically modified product have a significant negative effect on the environment?
I know some of you have done some extensive research on this very subject. I don't want your hard work, I need your sources so I can do the research. I have been able to fond where the crops are~~that's no help really. And a list of what foods contain genetically modified ingredients--Fritos!! I knew there was a reason I didn't like them other than the nutrition lable info! I just got this assignment today and have to have the report done by Saturday.
Thanks in advance for any info you can direct me towards!!
__________________
Nina's Grammy
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08/17/09, 04:56 PM
Madame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: WI
Posts: 4,277
While you are waiting, see if Monsanto has a website and also try the Organic Consumer website.
__________________
Marvelous Madame
Be kind to others. You do not know what burdens they are carrying.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08/17/09, 07:09 PM
Annie's Avatar  
Join Date: May 2002
Location: east Tennessee
Posts: 394
Chickenmommy, try googling "terminator seeds". Had to crash my computer a few months ago, so lost my bookmarks. Will check on some papers I have printed up.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08/17/09, 07:16 PM
Beltane's Avatar
Enjoying Four Seasons
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Beautiful Milton, New Hampshire
Posts: 3,092
I liked Seeds of Deception by Jeffrey M. Smith. I more or less browsed the book, but gleemed good info just the same. Good luck with your research.
http://www.amazon.com/Seeds-Deceptio.../dp/0972966587
__________________
The less I seek my source for some definitive - The closer I am to fine.

http://williampalmerhomestead.weebly.com/
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08/18/09, 08:12 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 54
My husband told me that you can no longer buy a true granny smith apple. They've all been genetically modified and are completely different from apples say twenty years ago. I have no resources to back it up, but it's a thought anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08/18/09, 09:06 AM
Oggie's Avatar
Waste of bandwidth
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: OK
Posts: 10,618
I don't know why they created this. Perhaps they selected genes in such a way to create a creature that is even more obnoxious than the original.
























G.M. food biology assignment - Countryside Families
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08/18/09, 10:11 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by adpond View Post
My husband told me that you can no longer buy a true granny smith apple. They've all been genetically modified and are completely different from apples say twenty years ago. I have no resources to back it up, but it's a thought anyway.
That's obsurd! Apples are propagated by grafting, not genetic engineering. He's obviously biased and dosn't know what he talking about. If he can't find a good Granny Smith, it's because commercial growers pick them before they're ripe so they'll ship better. If he really wants a good Granny Smith, he should go to Home Depot and buy one to plant in the back yard.

CM, for you, I'd suggest looking into "Roundup Ready" plants that have been made resistant to the herbicide glyphosate. The problem is that once you have a plant that's resistant you have the tendency to drench the land with as much glyphosate as you can get, greatly increasing the overall levels of herbicide in the environment. I don't have a problem with the engineering of plants for things like disease/pest resistance, because the pests have to come to the field. Herbicide however starts at the field and spreads outward.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08/18/09, 12:11 PM
spring chick
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Washington
Posts: 280
I just finished reading the section in Animal, Vegetable, Miracle that discusses GM produce and some of the issues surrounding it. Would love to read more on the subject as I'm finding there's more to the issue than simply people thinking it's a sin against nature.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08/18/09, 05:18 PM
ksfarmer's Avatar
Retired farmer-rancher
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: north-central Kansas
Posts: 2,897
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Kawalek View Post
That's obsurd! Apples are propagated by grafting, not genetic engineering. He's obviously biased and dosn't know what he talking about. If he can't find a good Granny Smith, it's because commercial growers pick them before they're ripe so they'll ship better. If he really wants a good Granny Smith, he should go to Home Depot and buy one to plant in the back yard.

CM, for you, I'd suggest looking into "Roundup Ready" plants that have been made resistant to the herbicide glyphosate. The problem is that once you have a plant that's resistant you have the tendency to drench the land with as much glyphosate as you can get, greatly increasing the overall levels of herbicide in the environment. I don't have a problem with the engineering of plants for things like disease/pest resistance, because the pests have to come to the field. Herbicide however starts at the field and spreads outward.
Michael, I agree completely with you on the apples.

However I do not agree with you when you say "you have the tendency to drench the land with as much glyphosphate as you can get," . No farmer who intends to stay in business uses more than is needed, because of the cost.
__________________
* I'm supposed to respect my elders, but its getting harder and harder for me to find one. .*-
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08/18/09, 05:34 PM
DaleK's Avatar  
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East-Central Ontario
Posts: 3,862
http://www.agcare.org/Resources/Fact...=Biotechnology
__________________
The internet - fueling paranoia and misinformation since 1873.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08/18/09, 06:55 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,639
This will be interesting. I'd like to know what GM products a consumer eats DIRECTLY. I don't believe there are ANY!!!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08/19/09, 04:48 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 116
Anyone interested in GM stuff should read 'Seeds of Destruction' by F. William Engdahl.
And /or see ' http://www.globalreasearch.ca/index....t=va&aid=13701 '.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08/19/09, 05:11 AM
Mrs. Homesteader's Avatar  
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,642
Someone just sent me this link.

Spilling the Beans is a monthly column available at www..responsibletechnology.org. The website also offers eater-friendly tips for avoiding GMOs at home and in restaurants.
__________________
Only by His merciful grace,
Marci

Come check out our store full of homesteading kitchen supplies!!
Amazing Graze General Store
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08/19/09, 07:39 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,639
Changed my mind, don't need the headache today.

Last edited by Lazy J; 08/19/09 at 07:52 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08/19/09, 09:06 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by ksfarmer View Post
However I do not agree with you when you say "you have the tendency to drench the land with as much glyphosate as you can get," . No farmer who intends to stay in business uses more than is needed, because of the cost.

Hi KSF
Yes, you are right about that. But,,, wouldn't you agree though that the total amount of glyphosate being used in the United States has gone way up since the introduction of roundup-ready plants? For example how many millions of pounds of it were sprayed in 1985 compared to 2005? I don't have numbers handy, I think it is an exponential increase.

I think that has a much greater environmental impact than say BT-corn, which is only engineered to repel catepillers.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08/19/09, 09:33 AM
mooman's Avatar  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Upstate South Carolina
Posts: 646
You may not like the idea of roundup ready products, but with the population that we now need to feed on this planet, what's the alternative? Other than growing as much of your own food as possible, which is doable for many of us, but what about the city dwellers? You know they need thier Fritos or they get real cranky.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but glyphosate simply isn't that bad a chemical. Here is the toxicity report on it. http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/glyphosa.htm

It is only slightly toxic, and only at very high doses, it breaks down fairly quickly in the environment compared to some other pesticides, and it stays put (does not leach or run off readily).

We all need to remember that it is not 1962 anymore. The "environmental" and "organic" movements are no longer grass roots efforts. They are big business with just as much to loose as companies like Monsanto and they are just as likely to lie to you and mislead you in order to further thier cause. The solution is to educate yourself using independant sources and make informed decisions on what products to use. Don't let the chemical fear culture or big ag tell you how to think or what to eat.

OP good luck on the project. My personal fear with genetically modified produce is the effect on the world's gene pool.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08/19/09, 09:40 AM
wy_white_wolf's Avatar
Just howling at the moon
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 5,530
Quote:
....How might a genetically modified product have a significant negative effect on the environment? ...
I think if you are going to try and answer that question you should also investigate "How might a genetically modified product have a significant positive effect on the environment?"
__________________
If the grass looks greener it is probably over the septic tank. - troy n sarah tx

Our existance here is soley for the expoitation of CMG
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08/19/09, 10:12 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,639
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Kawalek View Post
Hi KSF
Yes, you are right about that. But,,, wouldn't you agree though that the total amount of glyphosate being used in the United States has gone way up since the introduction of roundup-ready plants? For example how many millions of pounds of it were sprayed in 1985 compared to 2005? I don't have numbers handy, I think it is an exponential increase.

I think that has a much greater environmental impact than say BT-corn, which is only engineered to repel catepillers.
The use of Round Up has certainly gone up, but the use of other chemistries has dropped significantly, in particular herbicides with residual effectiveness.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08/19/09, 10:12 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,639
Quote:
Originally Posted by wy_white_wolf View Post
I think if you are going to try and answer that question you should also investigate "How might a genetically modified product have a significant positive effect on the environment?"

+1

Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08/19/09, 04:36 PM
Madame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: WI
Posts: 4,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazy J View Post
This will be interesting. I'd like to know what GM products a consumer eats DIRECTLY. I don't believe there are ANY!!!
Corn. I think about 90% of the corn in stores and restaurants (excluding those that are labelled organiic) are gm..
__________________
Marvelous Madame
Be kind to others. You do not know what burdens they are carrying.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:20 PM.
Contact Us - Homesteading Today - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top - ©Carbon Media Group Agriculture