To throw the first punch...

I dunno, let's be fair.

That guy just lost his ticket to a Div I school, period. Nobody will touch him now, except for the smaller schools willing to take a chance. And maybe not even then. If so, he just lost the value of a free college education, which is over a million dollars in his lifetime.

That one swing may have cost him several million dollars, provided he might have made it to the NFL. Yes, I think he made an error in judgement, but he didn't strike the first blow.

There's a kid from LSU, now playing for Dallas, that lost somewhere over ten million dollars because of being involved in a murder investigation (he later provided police with an alibi and was cleared). That money is never coming back and they don't call it the Not For Long league for nothing.

Public perception should not automatically be guilt. And I don't think you should ruin somebody's life on simple perception. I also would like to think we cut a 18 year old kid some slack in his personal behavior. I know I did some things when I was 18, that would have landed me in jail, but I think I turned out ok.

Sometimes, I think we expect perfection out of people and that just ain't gonna happen.

Did the video really show what the narrative said? I can't see video but I did read the bio on the author and it said -his own words I guess- that he lives for " objectifying women and keeping them on their toes, their backs and their knees."
Even b allow for humorous hyperbole, that is a pretty disgusting statement. And seriously makes me question his interpretation of anything.

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The fact that it may cost him a career is irrelevant to justice. Not that I'm defending dog fighting, but Michael Vick should not have been made to pay a ???$30M??? fine for dog fighting, but sitting out those years in jail probably cost him something in that neighborhood.

The fact that others have gotten away with worse is irrelevant. The standards changed with Ray Rice. Big strong football players who hit women get cut from teams. That's the new standard. FSU mgmt and boosters got fed up with Winston and didn't want him back and supposedly told him not to return. They are tired of the bad press. It's really easy to cut a hope-to-be-star of the future. The kids better learn this.

And yeah, I did some pretty stupid things as well. I'm glad I wasn't filmed.

Wouldn't allowing Michael Vick to plead guilty to a crime and I doubt if there was a clause in his contract that would make provisions for his position to be held while he was incarcerated. I'm fairly certain he was aware that dog fighting was against the law or he would have been a lot more public about his after hours activities.

I do believe that most professional athletes have a morals clause in their contract because the teams are not prepared for the negative publicity so a player may not have broken any laws to violate their contract.

I'm not sure about the young man in question but when my son signed his college ball contract, it was pretty specific about things like curfew, drinking, violence, etc.

You know way more than me on how colleges sign players. But yeah, I would be surprised if I found out there was not a morals clause and a don't-bring-shame-on-us clause as well.

It's been a few years and if he wasn't at home tonight working on his will, brought on by heat stroke and food poisoning, I'd call for more details.

From what I recall, there are specifics about physical condition based on a medical exam, health & conditioning, practice attendance, behavior in public, minimum grade requirements and criminal charges/convictions.

He was courted by several US colleges and had actually signed a contract but fractured vertebra about 2 months before he was to leave, which meant he couldn't pass the physical and the contract was void.

It's 2015. And in America....what's immoral any more.
Seems it changes daily.

Treated women equal... but.....

Is it moral to assume any one's gendered ....I mean is that not un pc ..don't we all now get to pick our own gender each waking morning?

For all I know a lady football player was accosted by a person at a bar and the female football player try to stop it but was force to protected her self from the blonde brute.

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This is really too dumb to respond to, but okay

That should be a post of the day for the most absurd statements ever crowded into one post.

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I thought we were told by some that a majority wants a gender neutral society.

Yes but that is because absurd has actually taken over.

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Only when it's to their advantage.

Good Lord the man was attacked by a drunk and you guys are defending the attacking drunk ?
If this was a car wreck she would be in jail.

Just to be clear on my position. I'm not defending either of the parties. The cops/DA/Courts will get their turn at figuring out what happened and who is at fault. When that happens, more evidence than we have available now will get proper consideration. This few seconds of video is not enough for any of us to draw legal conclusions.

The only thing I'm defending is that FSU has a right and responsibility to serve what it deems to be its self interests and eliminate a problem, regardless of what the courts may rule. Seems too many here are trying to conflate FSU's decision with legal rulings.

I was attacked by a 9 year old with behavioral uses the other day. Would it also be fair to say that since he struck me first, I had every right to punch him in the face? I realize there's a bit of a size difference and I suspect my punch may pack a bit more power.

Do you think a 9 year old and a twenty-something are equal physically?

Do you think the quarterback and the girl are "equal physically"?

I've seen 9 year olds that were larger than some 20 year olds

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I think that the difference in ability is similar. I watched the same video you did and I'm afraid I don't feel the fist by the ear stance packs a whole lot of power vs a right hook that rung someone's head off a counter.

If you simply take the video at face value, I'd say she looked about as dangerous as the 0 year old except he bites hard enough to draw blood.