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As a barrel chested, long armed person I do have my questions.
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You've confused yourself by thinking we said the same thing, or that Neanderthals were our ancestors.
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As a barrel chested, long armed person I do have my questions.
Just last week I watched an interesting new documentary that traced the origins and history of modern man. There have been artifacts, fossils and DNA evidence found that indicate that there was an overlap of two or three thousand years where neanderthals and the ancestors of modern humans mingled, inter-married and traded with each other in the regions of what is now Israel. Some of the human fossils found there contained both neanderthal DNA and modern human DNA as well as having skulls and brow ridges that combined formations of both neanderthal and modern man. The conclusion was that clans of neanderthals migrating from the north to the south met in those region with clans of humans from Africa who were migrating from the south to the north. The neanderthals eventually disappeared from the earth but their DNA has carried on in the offspring of those particular African clans that inter-married with them.

So perhaps there are modern humans today who do have neanderthal ancestry and some neanderthal DNA combined with modern human DNA.
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to be honest, nobody really knows. the most we have is conjecture. At the very best science is a plausible guess.

I know very little about how God put things together.

I do know that He does everything organic, likes green, and has a flair for horticulture.
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That's an interesting post, especially considering your signature. Because I personally believe that Christ was nobody. Just a man who wanted to change things in his particular corner of the world and used his imagination and an old book that was created by a man who wanted to inspire his people.

More often than not, I find that I'm not allowed to say that. But it looks like we're perfectly able to criticize one another here. We must live in a free country.
Just because you have the freedom to say it does not mean you should. If you proceed to say the same thing about Muhammad, Buddha, Vishnu, etc, you are going to offend most of the world. As it is, you offend anyone who may not even have a religion because it is simply disrespectful in a brutal way.
There is no excuse for such things, not even the childish one of "he said it first."
So, since I don't want to hear such garbage, I am adding you to my ignore list. And since some people can't stop responding to it, I will do the same to anyone who quotes you.
It is too bad for me to miss out on interesting discussions and debates that will certainly happen, but while I can not stop this particular gang violence, I can tune out the noise it makes.
You're right that you have the freedom to say what you think. I think that the way you do it is deliberately said in a way to convey the highest offense you can. So it's not what you say but the way you say it that excretes hostility and generates ever increasing levels of meaness.
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Exactly. Christ promised that men would grow worse and worse as the end neared and we are seeing that come true. How many of us went out to play when we were kids and freely roamed the whole neighborhood? Not today because it isn't safe. I saw an article yesterday where a mother was charged with child neglect for letting her child play in a park across the street from their house.
This is all about perception. The honest truth is it is just as safe to let your kids out to play today as it was when you were a child. The media constantly bombarding us with the still very miniscule number of cases where it isn't safe makes us perceive that things have changed when they have not.

Humanity is what it always is a mix of good and bad. We actually tend to go in cycles and some generations are more functional overall than others. But there is no evidence that we are perpetually getting worse and worse. Step back for a minute and think what that would really mean. We have seen the worst: genocides, wars, human sacrifice, etc.
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Just because you have the freedom to say it does not mean you should. If you proceed to say the same thing about Muhammad, Buddha, Vishnu, etc, you are going to offend most of the world. As it is, you offend anyone who may not even have a religion because it is simply disrespectful in a burtal way.
There is no excuse for such things, not even the childish one of "he said it first."
So, since I don't want to hear such garbage, I am adding you to my ignore list. And since some people can stop responding to it, I will do the same to anyone who quotes you.
It is too bad for me to miss out on interesting discussions and debates that will certainly happen, but while I can not stop this particular gang violence, I can tune out the noise it makes.
You're right that you have the freedom to say what you think. I think that the way you do it is deliberately said in a way to convey the highest offense you can. So it's not what you say but the way you say it that excretes hostility and generates ever increasing levels of meaness.
Since my response was deleted.... I'll ask one more time. How was stating my beliefs about a religious figure mean? How do you equate my opinion as gang violence? To me that suggestion is offensive, and far more aggressive and oppressive than anything I have done here.

To me, Jesus was just a man, he is no one special to me; nobody to me. While that may offend you, you can't call it hate speech, because it is nothing more than my religious view, and we have religious freedom in this country. People here telling me that I am contributing to the moral decay of this country by not believing in Jesus is far more offensive than anything I've said. And the deletion of my posts was far more offensive than the existence of my post. You telling me that I should not express my beliefs because people here don't agree with me and somehow imagine that my opinion wounds them is far more offensive than anything I have said to you. Everything you believe about this conversation is based on your presumption that your faith is right and I am wrong. Which...is offensive.

I believe what I believe. It isn't violent, even if it scares you.
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Since my response was deleted.... I'll ask one more time. How was stating my beliefs about a religious figure mean? How do you equate my opinion as gang violence? To me that suggestion is offensive, and far more aggressive and oppressive than anything I have done here.

To me, Jesus was just a man, he is no one special to me; nobody to me. While that may offend you, you can't call it hate speech, because it is nothing more than my religious view, and we have religious freedom in this country. People here telling me that I am contributing to the moral decay of this country by not believing in Jesus is far more offensive than anything I've said. And the deletion of my posts was far more offensive than the existence of my post. You telling me that I should not express my beliefs because people here don't agree with me and somehow imagine that my opinion wounds them is far more offensive than anything I have said to you. Everything you believe about this conversation is based on your presumption that your faith is right and I am wrong. Which...is offensive.

I believe what I believe. It isn't violent, even if it scares you.
I deleted your post and you have an explanation in your inbox.
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I deleted your post and you have an explanation in your inbox.
I will refrain from using the words hypocrite or hypocrisy.
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I will refrain from using the words hypocrite or hypocrisy.
That works good and I will refrain from using those mod words that make everybody grumpy.
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There are people who think the only path to correction is to blow up the current situation.
Didn't God go that route once with the great flood?
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So perhaps there are modern humans today who do have neanderthal ancestry and some neanderthal DNA combined with modern human DNA.
I would never have thought that was possible till about 2008 or so.
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I would never have thought that was possible till about 2008 or so.
I take it you've met my neighbor? Perhaps you can tell me if he's celebrating Canada Day as a nudist or if the overlap covers his speedo.
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This is all about perception. The honest truth is it is just as safe to let your kids out to play today as it was when you were a child. The media constantly bombarding us with the still very miniscule number of cases where it isn't safe makes us perceive that things have changed when they have not.

Humanity is what it always is a mix of good and bad. We actually tend to go in cycles and some generations are more functional overall than others. But there is no evidence that we are perpetually getting worse and worse. Step back for a minute and think what that would really mean. We have seen the worst: genocides, wars, human sacrifice, etc.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying there, but would add...

I do think things are different in the respect that people are more closed off and isolated and an important set of social skills and a sense of normal community interactions is being lost, and creating this feeling of it being worse and worse. Many parks, neighborhoods, stores, communal places (even streets in towns) are losing daily interactions of elderly, adults, and children and those social skills and expectations of behavior have been weakened and I think make the few that do happen seem more intense and alarming. I guess I think it's kind of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy we're doing to ourselves in some respects.
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I'm STILL trying to figure out why a monkey holding a baby lion over a cliff is important or a good thing, no matter what the lighting. Circle of Life... WHOOPS! BAD monkey!
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So perhaps there are modern humans today who do have neanderthal ancestry and some neanderthal DNA combined with modern human DNA.
Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens share a common ancestor, but we did not evolve from Neanderthals, as they are a separate sub-species that once co-existed with "modern" humans.

There was intermingling, and many people today have from 2-5% Neanderthal DNA

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Just last week I watched an interesting new documentary that traced the origins and history of modern man. There have been artifacts, fossils and DNA evidence found that indicate that there was an overlap of two or three thousand years where neanderthals and the ancestors of modern humans mingled, inter-married and traded with each other in the regions of what is now Israel.
They were already "modern humans" (Homo Sapiens) they were not our "ancestors" in terms of the species itself.
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to be honest, nobody really knows. the most we have is conjecture. At the very best science is a plausible guess.

I know very little about how God put things together.

I do know that He does everything organic, likes green, and has a flair for horticulture.
No, we have more than conjecture. We have continuing discovery of fossils and other new scientific evidence that enlightens us more and more every year about the origins and history of Homo sapiens.

Anyway, if you or anyone else is interested in viewing the documentaries I was telling you about, the new 2015 series is called First Peoples. It's really interesting, very well done and I strongly recommend it.

It first premiered on Wednesday last week and its episodes will be on Wednesdays every week this summer as far as I know. Each episode is 2 hours long. See link below for further information.

Tonight the new episode that's going to be on will be about the migrations of Homo sapiens from Africa into Asia and Australia. (Last week it was about the African migrations going north towards the Middle East and European regions) Tonight they'll be discussing the evidence that suggests the exodus out of Africa began earlier than originally thought and that ancient humans also mated with another human species known as the Denisovans.

http://www.pbs.org/first-peoples/home/
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying there, but would add...

I do think things are different in the respect that people are more closed off and isolated and an important set of social skills and a sense of normal community interactions is being lost, and creating this feeling of it being worse and worse. Many parks, neighborhoods, stores, communal places (even streets in towns) are losing daily interactions of elderly, adults, and children and those social skills and expectations of behavior have been weakened and I think make the few that do happen seem more intense and alarming. I guess I think it's kind of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy we're doing to ourselves in some respects.
I agree with that. I think it is part of what leads so many people to call the police today about the slightest little thing instead of talking to kids or waiting to see if their parents are around or what have you. We have had a real spike in incidents where children are taken away from perfectly responsible parents because people don't have normal neighborly interactions anymore.
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No, we have more than conjecture. We have continuing discovery of fossils and other new scientific evidence that enlightens us more and more every year about the origins and history of Homo sapiens.

Anyway, if you or anyone else is interested in viewing the documentaries I was telling you about, the new 2015 series is called First Peoples. It's really interesting, very well done and I strongly recommend it.

It first premiered on Wednesday last week and its episodes will be on Wednesdays every week this summer as far as I know. Each episode is 2 hours long. See link below for further information.

Tonight the new episode that's going to be on will be about the migrations of Homo sapiens from Africa into Asia and Australia. (Last week it was about the African migrations going north towards the Middle East and European regions) Tonight they'll be discussing the evidence that suggests the exodus out of Africa began earlier than originally thought and that ancient humans also mated with another human species known as the Denisovans.

http://www.pbs.org/first-peoples/home/
I was just going to bring that up too. Very interesting show so far.
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Tonight they'll be discussing the evidence that suggests the exodus out of Africa began earlier than originally thought and that ancient humans also mated with another human species known as the Denisovans.
They were all "ancient humans" in the context of history, but the proper anthropological term for those other than Homo Sapiens (modern humans) is "archaic humans".

That covers all the divergent sub-species that evolved separately but no longer exist.

It's interesting how each new discovery has pushed the time lines back much farther than they ever thought possible
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They were all "ancient humans" in the context of history, but the proper anthropological term for those other than Homo Sapiens (modern humans) is "archaic humans".
Yeah .... I know, I was just being lazy and keeping it simple. But in the documentaries they do refer to them properly as archaic humans and Homo sapiens.
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