Summer is the hungriest time for some kids

Heaven forbid that people committing fraud should have their lives ruined.

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I think you are missing the point , if my friends case was typical the government manufactured the fraud. She did not set out to defraud the government.

Ri-i-ight. Fraud by definition includes proving intent.

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I bet the GAO defines "fraud" a bit differently than you or I would. If SNAP is issued to person A and they sell it to person B for cents on the dollar and get caught, that's their 4% fraud. Or a grocer charges the SNAP card and gives the person back cash, that's probably in their fraud detection.

But there are all kinds of other fraud they will never catch, or never act on. Such as, the person doesn't really need the benefit and they show this by buying luxury items with it, eating like a wealthy person on the taxpayer's dime. That's fraud to me, but I bet it doesn't show up on GAO's radar. I bet you could buy steak and lobster every month when the bennies recharge and no one would ever say boo.

Then there is the person has a live in boyfriend/girlfriend with income that wasn't reported on the SNAP application. I know a waste of oxygen who pulled that off for years, her SO was an auto worker and made good money but she still milked all her benefits. (Yes, it was reported, no, nothing was done.)

My DSIL used to work for a discount retailer, and she had a few "regulars" who would come in and buy expensive baby formula when their bennies renewed, then return it for a cash refund the next day. Apparently you can't put credit back on the SNAP card. So that's how these SNAP recipients turned them into drinkin' money. And baby formula could not be re-stocked, it had to be discarded. So the store lost money as well as the taxpayers. And what could you really do about it? Refuse to sell someone formula? Refuse a return with a valid receipt?

And then there was the well publicized million dollar lottery winner who kept on taking SNAP benefits.

The whole program has gone out of control. That 4% fraud rate is a joke.

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Fraud is difficult to prove because it requires proving intent. On an individual level that is much harder than proving it in an organized business like way.
The way the fraud is done when organized is pretty clear but if an indivual just fails to report income, well, they just misunderstood, didn't they- no intent at all.

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Limited information was given by you.... one sided... it was vetted and you claim she just caved... lack of information turns it into a moot point. I understand that you may know more. Did you personally help your friend at the time?

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basketti
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Fyi you can as a clerk I did this... it is a pain in the butt and it takes a few days to return to the card..

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basketti
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??????? Don't understand.

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That is right, complain, complain , complain and then complain again when it is suggested you should be part of the solution.

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I am close friends with the husband.
Filling out a application isn't fraud , that's why you have applications to see if someone qualifies.
Lying on the application would be. But they didn't and never were accused of it.

Ri-i-ight. I doubt filling out an application is the whole story. Might be fraud because the applications gave requirement that needed to be reported that they subsequently didn't. That is the most common fraud- not reporting .

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It certainly can be... false info....

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basketti
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It should have been attached to Mo. Who stated refunding baby formula for cash refunds to the snap card are what is to be done there is a way....it takes a few minutes and the snap card has the money value add back in a few days... people complain but that is life refunds to credit cards and debit cards take a few day that's life even for those on snap. And this should be how all snap cards are done notice of this was a fed doc. At fred meyers cashiers had to sign that they understood not cash refunds for snap and that they were trained to preform the properrefunding to the snap card.

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basketti
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Thanks I simple couldn't figure out what you were saying.

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Didn't she flaunt that fact all over the media? They had no choice because she made the government look bad, they had to respond.

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There was some surfer dude that lived in Venice California who was on the news because he would make a couple of hundred bucks panhandling on the boardwalk, and use his snap benefits to buy lobster and crab. These types of incidents are far more common than were led to believe.

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I think I saw that on 60 minutes or one of those type shows. He would throw a party and feed his friends that high dollar food once a month or something. Made me want to start a "shark welfare" program and feed him to a great white. Sharks gotta eat too.

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That does not make sense. No way that would stand up in court.

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The government looks bad without any one's help!

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So who does the social worker work for? Would that be GE? Maybe microsoft...I was under the impression this administration included fed workers. All of 'em. People who work for the state...Any gov't worker. ICE.

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