AK I hope you don't think that is why I started this thread.It wasn't.I've been down in the mud and the blood and the beer wrestling for your life so I know some of what the officers were thinking and I'm not necessarily questioning the shooting itself but rather the mentality as a whole that the country seems to have developed with regard to the taking of life. And it's not so much a recent thing but I have watched that sentiment grow slowly over my lifetime and it concerns me that we seem to have lowered our perception of how important life is.

As for the cops actions,the only thing I could question is how the person got the gun and why they couldn't get it away from him being they were within arms reach.And that's not a call you can make unless you are in that situation.

Wade

A lot of good guys died in Nam because of policies like that, there was the ones shooting and ones hiding the shooters, hard to sort them out.

LOL, my, how times have changed!

At one time, we had little choice, but to trust the Cops. If they were "dirty", maybe they would eventually get busted, maybe they wouldn't.

Now with cell phone cameras, it can all be captured, for Americans to armchair quarterback and a money hungry media to interpret any way we like.

Was it a "chokehold"? Wasn't it? We are now all chokehold experts, so we'll decide.

did the suspect have a gun, or was he attacking the Officer? accordding to "eyewitness" videos on youtube, he didn't have gun and he was completely innocent! Ok then - Officer guilty! :rolleyes:

The media - pro and Con cuts up footage and feeds the the "truth" - in bites - ones we want to eat.

Can't imagine why Cops are edgy and maybe a bit trigger happy these days. Certainly the "citizens" have nothing to do with it! :rolleyes:

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If the Cops are becoming "frankensteins Monsters", they are of our own creation.

Well, for those of you who might want to be cops, New Orleans is hiring!

They have 150 positions available. Starting pay is $37.5K/year, with rapid advancement - assuming you live - in the lower ranks.

http://joinnopd.org/

C'mon, be all you can be!

Get a load of this.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ood-dream.html
A bank robber and identity thief. I guess this falls into the category of what goes around comes around.

I wonder if being an international felon on the run dogging the U.S. Marshals instead of a mentally ill homeless guy on skid row will enrage some L.A. residents in the opposite direction as they were enraged a few days ago?

He must not have been a very good bank robber if he had to hide out on skid row instead of in the suburbs.

At least now we have some idea of why he was fighting so hard to get a cops gun as he tried to get away.

I'm told by friends that are/ were officers, that you could pay off the instructors to be able to pass certain requirements.

Wow, i actually agree with you!

It seems that there is a "class" system setting up in LEO these days. You have the LEO that wants to serve - we all know one or have dealt with one - they will give you a warning when they see you just forgot to renew your plates last week rather than bust you to the wall. And they are courteous. And then you have the other type, that uses force and power with gusto to control rather than serve. It is our crazy society that is causing this - either you are a saint that is so selfless you are willing to serve with all the abuse and danger or you are just a redneck with a gun itching to use it on the crazies in society. As decent people, we need to start going out of our way to encourage and thank all the good LEOs out there - it is a tough and dangerous job.

Bueller? Bueller?

Shucks, here I am, giving some of y'all a chance to live the dream and I don't have any takers?

New Orleans is a fun city! Just think about all the things to see and do!

And I didn't mention the best part...During Mardi Gras season, most cops work doubles. Doesn't take long working sixteen hour shifts and those dollars start to mount up!

If he pulled the trigger that bullet would have gone somewhere, agree? And would you want to have been in that crowd and 'probably' ended up ok?

It is very easy. Law abiding citizens don't put themselves in that position. What is so hard in doing what you are told. Problem being, people are raised today that have no accountability for their actions. Used to be a decent citizen did what they were told. If these thugs would just stop running their mouth or acting stupid this would not happen to them. STOP, put their hands up, shut up AND listen, they would still be alive. PERIOD....James

Sorry but that's a did you quit beating your wife question.
The point is That the odds are in favor of MORE citizen survival if they hadn't shot him than if they did.
Personally I wouldnt have wanted to be around with all those police bullets flying around.

NO! NO NO NO!


NO! Cops quite often encounter law abiding citizens
Sometimes you don't have the ability and sometimes that just makes it worse, for instance You crawling up the mudbank with gun in hand a cop happens to see you and orders you (Illegally) to raise your hands when you raise your hands of course you slip in the mud and go down face first the cop interprets the movement as threating and shoots and of course laying there with gun in your raised hand he sees it pointing at him and fires some more !
NEVER! Only the sheep.
Do you think by calling them thugs you take away their rights? Sorry they have a right to run their mouths do what they want with their hands and not pay any attention to a cop when they are not committing a crime.

If the Professional trained cop would just walk away everyone would be fine but his ego wouldn't be stroked.

Lol...AS, I think you must live a very interesting and eventful life.

While that's true I also watch others and can see how life doesn't always go along the predicted path.

Ain't you kinda stretching statistical probability to the breaking point?

lol no not even close ! The incident described happened . The rookie cop emptied his gun lucky for him he did no serious damage.

Weirder stuff happens all the time. with 300,000,000 people in this country doing stuff every day you have to expect a certain amount of weirdness to come true.

It's likely a lot of those sheep were people who went quietly and mounted their defence in a lawful and likely informed way. Those that resisted arrest went to jail anyway after a thorough beatdown and added injury recovery time to their schedule, not to mention possible additional charges like assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

If the cops come to your situation do people think they will be LESS likely to arrest you if you resist?

This has less to do with who is right or wrong, it's about simple logistics. Go peacefully or go injured. Anyone who is or was military or anyone with the sense God gave a billy goat knows that there is a concept called tactics. Pick your battles wisely.

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[QUOTE=AmericanStand;7399351]NO! NO NO NO!



NO! Cops quite often encounter law abiding citizens


Of course they do. I usually see and talk to one every day, at the closed gate down the road a bit. But the law abiding citizen knows how to act.

I will and have called out an officer when he has done something stupid, but in the right way. The problem today is R-E-S-P-E-C-T


....James

Quotr; Do you think by calling them thugs you take away their rights? Sorry they have a right to run their mouths do what they want with their hands and not pay any attention to a cop when they are not committing a crime.


No, A thug breaks the law. They lose their rights. What are you going to do with them? Oh yea, you would let them shoot first....



Quote; If the Professional trained cop would just walk away everyone would be fine.....



Then why have them. Just leave it to each person to take care of themselves. Go back to the wild west. People like you describe, will be DEAD, anyway....James

I din't think you lost anything until convicted by a jury of your peers.
No way are the police supposed to be judge, jury and executioner

No, you will lose everything in a split second if you do something stupid enough. And that's true whether you're dealing with cops, machinery, traffic, drugs or life in general.

Confronting armed people (whether your armed or not) is just the gene pool being shallowed down a bit.