Torture - That's Not Us

JeffreyD · #**161** 12/16/14, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by coolrunnin

You don't really believe this do you?

If I've done nothing wrong, why should I be fearful?

Old Vet · #**162** 12/16/14, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shine

So, Old Vet, even though we have prosecuted others for Water Boarding, [how can you change the sensation of drowning?] you say that it is not torture? What makes it different? What were the medics there for at Gitmo? Just to take the towel off or were there complications of a more serious nature? I assume it is not the pristine environment you endured, correct? You said only three times... wonder how many times a day it was used on the prisoners... I also wonder, were the detainees aware that they would only be made real uncomfortable for a period of time, don't worry about dying... We got the docs right here.... Then we can start again after they revive you - OK?

You've got to be telling me that this is a dream right? No one could do this to another willingly? Or are they out there, on the supposed side of Right and Pure?

I wasn't sure about anything. I was blindfolded and could not see anybody. If you called a jungle a pristine environment you are mistaken.But of course you can make all types of excuses and what if but is only what you think that is torturer. None of them lost toes or finger or any other body parts. None of them were beheading. All water boarding did was make you think something might happen just like going to a scarey movie and dreaming about it later.

Nevada · #**163** 12/16/14, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Vet

None of them lost toes or finger or any other body parts. None of them were beheading. All water boarding did was make you think something might happen just like going to a scarey movie and dreaming about it later.

You think pointing out that we could have done more to them makes it OK?

Shine · #**164** 12/16/14, 03:03 PM

Old Vet, you did not answer my question regarding the reason for the medical personnel and the noted "Severe" side-effects to this sort of torture. Only three times you say. What if it had been 20, or 50 or days on end?

Shine · #**165** 12/16/14, 03:06 PM

...and we are so quick to accept the governments identification of this person being a terrorist or that person being a terrorist. What about the government document citing Constitutionalists as "possible" terrorists?

coolrunnin · #**166** 12/16/14, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

If I've done nothing wrong, why should I be fearful?

Unfortunately you don't get to decide if you have done anything wrong!

And you would be one of an elite group who go about their day and break no laws.

JeffreyD · #**167** 12/16/14, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coolrunnin

Unfortunately you don't get to decide if you have done anything wrong!

And you would be one of an elite group who go about their day and break no laws.

Sure I do!!
What would you do?

JeffreyD · #**168** 12/16/14, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shine

...and we are so quick to accept the governments identification of this person being a terrorist or that person being a terrorist. What about the government document citing Constitutionalists as "possible" terrorists?

Ill ask you the same question.

What would you do?

JeffreyD · #**169** 12/16/14, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

You think pointing out that we could have done more to them makes it OK?

We got information from known terrorists that saved American lives. That, makes it worth it.
What would you do, knowing there was a credible eminent threat and you only had hours to act?

What has been done to these vile humans is nothing compared to what has been done to others in the past. Asians are very good at it except they do great physical injury, Germans too, not to mention what the Muslims are doing on a daily basis. Where's the outcry about those atrocities? But God forbid a wet rag gets placed over your face! Oh, the humanity! !!

coolrunnin · #**170** 12/16/14, 04:26 PM

To start I am raising my voice in opposition to any of what I feel are over zealous security measures. After that I guess I'll be forced to do something else.

JeffreyD · #**171** 12/16/14, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by coolrunnin

To start I am raising my voice in opposition to any of what I feel are over zealous security measures. After that I guess I'll be forced to do something else.

Why now? Why not 10 years ago? This was common knowledge all along. Where was the outrage back then?

Shine · #**172** 12/16/14, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

If I've done nothing wrong, why should I be fearful?

Standard gambit. Full of holes. Just what they want you to think. Unaware of the possibilities. Prime Target. There is no need to guard against those that think in this fashion, they won't see it coming.

Nevada · #**173** 12/16/14, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

We got information from known terrorists that saved American lives. That, makes it worth it.

Yeah, except the report said they didn't get any information.

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

What would you do, knowing there was a credible eminent threat and you only had hours to act?

Which credible eminent threat was that?

JeffreyD · #**174** 12/16/14, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

Yeah, except the report said they didn't get any information.

Which credible eminent threat was that?

What report?

Shine · #**175** 12/16/14, 05:12 PM

Jeffrey asks: What would I do? A man can only control that which is in his realm of control. My children understand what is right and wrong and so far have proven themselves to be honorable. Those in my circle of contact know that I can be counted upon, and also know that I will speak when I see something wrong or someone doing something that should not be done and am ready to back up that observation firmly.

You can see evidence of that in this thread...

JeffreyD · #**176** 12/16/14, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shine

Standard gambit. Full of holes. Just what they want you to think. Unaware of the possibilities. Prime Target. There is no need to guard against those that think in this fashion, they won't see it coming.

I'm well aware of the possibilities, just not delusional about it. To each his own. I'll still pull the trigger on a terrorist that has info that could save lives. Head meet sand!

Shine · #**177** 12/16/14, 05:17 PM

There have been numerous instances where the lack of substantive tips derived from the enhanced interrogation were explored and exposed but those do not suit your argument - I guess they're not real?

coolrunnin · #**178** 12/16/14, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

Why now? Why not 10 years ago? This was common knowledge all along. Where was the outrage back then?

what makes you think I didn't voice opposition?

JeffreyD · #**179** 12/16/14, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shine

Jeffrey asks: What would I do? A man can only control that which is in his realm of control. My children understand what is right and wrong and so far have proven themselves to be honorable. Those in my circle of contact know that I can be counted upon, and also know that I will speak when I see something wrong or someone doing something that should not be done and am ready to back up that observation firmly.

You can see evidence of that in this thread...

How are you going to " back up that observation"? Talk the talk on the inteweb?
What would you do if you knew there was an eminent threat to YOUR family and someone proven to be a murderer had information to prevent their deaths?

JeffreyD · #**180** 12/16/14, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shine

There have been numerous instances where the lack of substantive tips derived from the enhanced interrogation were explored and exposed but those do not suit your argument - I guess they're not real?

Where do you get your information from? Link please.