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12/16/14, 08:57 PM
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First, a clearly biased article in News week hardly is scientific proof. The article had comments from 1 doctor (who I have yet to vet).
Just curious, did you read the whole article? I don't believe you did, because it's doesn't really say what you said it does. Some of does, but that wasn't the conclusion. How about an article from something like Psychology Today, or the Journal of Neuroscience? Why would you take the word of a reporter that has no clue as to how the interrogations work? You just keep digging that whole deeper! Not sure why?
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12/16/14, 09:08 PM
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Legal? Huh? Reading Problem? Why is the UN pushing for a full investigation? It is legal if you manipulate the law so as to contravene the intent of the law, is that honorable? It violates Geneva, it violates the UN Accordance, it violates human nature. Cherry pick? Sure - for a 2 minute google search, you take what you can get, the site that I pulled up the Doctor showed him wearing a British Military Uniform. I don't care where he is from, he has a conflict of interest when providing proof that a PROGRAM that HE Designed is successful. You cannot really think that providing him as a testifier is legit do you? Is that the only "Eye Witness" that you have? I will create a post with many valid citations and you will squirm around those too, no one has answered my reasonable question so that means that you cannot.
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12/16/14, 09:14 PM
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I guess that you did not open any of the reports in that article. It is filled with them and just what do you mean regarding that the article did not support my claims, there you are changing the facts so that some casual reader thinks that you won the argument. More and more your prose fits that of someone else, not an interested poster. I'll provide definitive citations and you can suck eggs...
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12/16/14, 09:26 PM
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So, Old Vet, even though we have prosecuted others for Water Boarding, [how can you change the sensation of drowning?] you say that it is not torture? What makes it different? What were the medics there for at Gitmo? Just to take the towel off or were there complications of a more serious nature? I assume it is not the pristine environment you endured, correct? You said only three times... wonder how many times a day it was used on the prisoners... I also wonder, were the detainees aware that they would only be made real uncomfortable for a period of time, don't worry about dying... We got the docs right here.... Then we can start again after they revive you - OK?
You've got to be telling me that this is a dream right? No one could do this to another willingly? Or are they out there, on the supposed side of Right and Pure?
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No they drown them and that is why we prostitute them.
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12/16/14, 09:31 PM
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Legal? Huh? Reading Problem? Why is the UN pushing for a full investigation? It is legal if you manipulate the law so as to contravene the intent of the law, is that honorable? It violates Geneva, it violates the UN Accordance, it violates human nature. Cherry pick? Sure - for a 2 minute google search, you take what you can get, the site that I pulled up the Doctor showed him wearing a British Military Uniform. I don't care where he is from, he has a conflict of interest when providing proof that a PROGRAM that HE Designed is successful. You cannot really think that providing him as a testifier is legit do you? Is that the only "Eye Witness" that you have? I will create a post with many valid citations and you will squirm around those too, no one has answered my reasonable question so that means that you cannot.
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The UN hates America and everything we stand for. You just keep parroting the same old, same old.
I have answered every question you put forth. Why haven't you? Did you ever read the Geneva Conventions? If you had, you would clearly see that enemy combatants do not qualify. They fly no country flag or wear a uniform.
I am looking forward to that post.
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12/16/14, 09:35 PM
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I don't need to read that trash. I know what it is because I lived through it. How many that wrote that trash have been water boarded? How many here have endured water boarding and call it torture? I am sure that if you look enough you may make a case of torturer. I know that being with out a phone will say you torture them.
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enemy combatant - newly defined term to avoid the proscriptions in the geneva convention. You say you answered every one of my questions: What post number answered the following question:
What should be the penalty be for someone that tortures someone that is innocent and should that person have their day in court to right that wrong?
You won't answer it - you will squirm again.
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Close-minded much? OV
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12/16/14, 09:37 PM
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Old Vet, you did not answer my question regarding the reason for the medical personnel and the noted "Severe" side-effects to this sort of torture. Only three times you say. What if it had been 20, or 50 or days on end?
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The sever side effects were nightmares or a cold.
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Old Vet, you did not answer my question regarding the reason for the medical personnel and the noted "Severe" side-effects to this sort of torture. Only three times you say. What if it had been 20, or 50 or days on end?
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Who was water boarded 20 or 50 times? Your suppositions are showing.
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A number of them as per governmental admissions. Why did they need the medics there and what of the side effects of water boarding?
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You obviously are avoiding the truth or are not knowlegable of the truth.
The damage that prolonged Water boarding causes is well documented.
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Jeffrey - what of the questions in post 183 - you answer those too?
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12/16/14, 09:45 PM
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OV - still no answer to the need for medics
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
Torture damages the brain and causes it to slowly stop functioning in a normal fashion. Can't access real memories and the creation of unreal memories.
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I always wonder about the kids today that call just about everything they don't want torture.Now I know.
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Yes bamboo shoots under fingernails have that effect.
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I now doubt your credibility, you are looking at reasonable proof regarding the use of torture and then acting like it is nothing. It serves no purpose to speak with or seek an honest response from you, you appear to not want to respond with honesty or cannot.
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