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Motor vehicles do society a lot more good than guns do. Nobody is going to argue that fire, police and ambulance vehicles are a good thing. It's also a good thing to be able to use a motor vehicle to get to work, or to get to thanksgiving dinner.
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I find eating helps people, some of the first prep items require the shooting of a gun.
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12/01/14, 01:11 PM
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The answer to curbing medical mistakes is very different from curbing gun violence. For medical mistakes, Medicare forces providers pay for care for hospital acquired conditions. In other words, instead of being paid to care for their own mistakes, it comes out of their profits. We'll see how that policy changes those statistics.
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If they're dead, their medical care ain't costing anybody much..
I don't see how your statement ties to the valid statistic previously given.
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12/01/14, 01:13 PM
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I'm not sure what the answer is, but when over 30,000 Americans die each year from gun violence we should be looking for an answer.
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How about the people committing these crimes pay a very hefty price. 
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12/01/14, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by partndn
If they're dead, their medical care ain't costing anybody much..
I don't see how your statement ties to the valid statistic previously given.
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The idea is that they'll be more careful to not make medical mistakes. You don't think that will prevent people from dying from medical mistakes?
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12/01/14, 01:25 PM
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How about the people committing these crimes pay a very hefty price. |
More people are sent to prison for longer sentences that any country on earth. In fact, about 25% of the world's prison population is in the USA. They pay a higher price for their crimes than anyone in the world. One thing's for sure, harsher punishments aren't working.
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12/01/14, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevada
More people are sent to prison for longer sentences that any country on earth. In fact, about 25% of the world's prison population is in the USA. They pay a higher price for their crimes than anyone in the world. One thing's for sure, harsher punishments aren't working.
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You've missed the point again. Doesn't matter, there's not a logical discussion that will suffice for you.
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12/01/14, 01:41 PM
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You've missed the point again. Doesn't matter, there's not a logical discussion that will suffice for you.
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Yep, could see that one coming a mile away. 
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12/01/14, 01:44 PM
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You've missed the point again. Doesn't matter, there's not a logical discussion that will suffice for you.
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Interesting thing about conservative solutions, they seem to make logical sense but don't work. It's like trickle-down economics, it makes sense to you but never works. It's a continuing stream of logical fallacies.
* If more people have guns then gun violence will be curbed because criminals will be afraid everyone is armed.
* We can end teen pregnancy with ignorance because they'll never figure it out on their own (never mind that dogs figure it out).
* If we end welfare then we won't have any poor because they'll all go out and get jobs.
Why don't we get back on the topic of guns?
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12/01/14, 02:35 PM
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Interesting thing about conservative solutions, they seem to make logical sense but don't work. It's like trickle-down economics, it makes sense to you but never works. It's a continuing stream of logical fallacies.
* If more people have guns then gun violence will be curbed because criminals will be afraid everyone is armed.
* We can end teen pregnancy with ignorance because they'll never figure it out on their own (never mind that dogs figure it out).
* If we end welfare then we won't have any poor because they'll all go out and get jobs.
Why don't we get back on the topic of guns?
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Not much to talk about Nevada. This clown is just another of Obama's " Al Sharpton" mouthpieces -stiring up trouble. Just ignore it.
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12/01/14, 02:40 PM
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I'm not sure what the answer is, but when over 30,000 Americans die each year from gun violence we should be looking for an answer.
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A lot more people die on the highways, yet vehicles are still legal.
Even more die from lung mouth and throat cancer, but cigarettes are still legal.
Alcohol gets a ton of people killed, but the government still likes to sell it, and keeps it legal...
30K deaths from guns is a weak argument to outlaw them..
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12/01/14, 02:50 PM
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More people are sent to prison for longer sentences that any country on earth. In fact, about 25% of the world's prison population is in the USA. They pay a higher price for their crimes than anyone in the world. One thing's for sure, harsher punishments aren't working.
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.............We would need fewer prisons if home owners used their guns more effectively on thiefs and murders ! If someone breaks down your door are you going to hide in the closet or use your pistol for the purpose for which it was designed ? , fordy
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12/01/14, 03:12 PM
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I own a gun. In fact I own a handgun.
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just one???????
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12/01/14, 03:25 PM
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The idea is that they'll be more careful to not make medical mistakes. You don't think that will prevent people from dying from medical mistakes?
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So what you're saying is that we have a bunch of careless medical practitioners that really shouldn't be in the business? I'm sure that there a bunch of people in the medical field that would strongly disagree about cost being a factor in the deaths of so many people.
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just one???????
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I had the same thought... I have a hard time in the mornings trying to decide which one I want to accessorize with for the day... 
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12/01/14, 03:51 PM
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So what you're saying is that we have a bunch of careless medical practitioners that really shouldn't be in the business? I'm sure that there a bunch of people in the medical field that would strongly disagree about cost being a factor in the deaths of so many people.
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This isn't my idea. LOL
This is part of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005.
http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Medicare...conditions.asp
This is Bush-era legislation, and only passed the senate with a tie-breaking vote by Dick Cheney.
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12/01/14, 03:53 PM
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12/01/14, 04:23 PM
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I'm not sure what the answer is, but when over 30,000 Americans die each year from gun violence we should be looking for an answer.
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"30,000 Americans die each year from gun violence" is rather misleading. Nearly two thirds of those deaths are suicide. Banning guns will not likely prevent suicide, as shown by Japan, which has a suicide rate roughly twice the United states. Alternate forms of suicide, such as walking in front of traffic or trains, or running a car in a enclosed space, is more likely to kill other people as well.
Maybe allowing suicide by drugs will reduce the "gun violence", but most people won't like that solution.
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12/01/14, 04:48 PM
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Dude! They already did that! Well, not exactly. But they did take out the goody's so ya can't get rid of that useless neighbors dog so easy. Just saying!
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12/01/14, 05:21 PM
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It doesn't . . . but as you've probably noticed, it is the
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If they're dead, their medical care ain't costing anybody much..
I don't see how your statement ties to the valid statistic previously given.
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way that he normally handles 'difficult' questions......
He changes the subject and just keeps on going.
A lot of noise......which makes a few think that he's saying
something REALLY significant, but most of us know otherwise.
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