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Old 09/21/14, 01:09 PM
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The double standards shown by some folks on this forum is amazing. In one thread, they're defending the 'right' of someone to not serve gays, then they go on to complain about a company who exercises their right to not sell merchandise they deem objectionable.
Not quite the same. It would be the same if a conservative said that no one can sell something if the conservative objects to it, which is the liberal value judgement. Because what is being closed is a market place.
What the bakery said was 'I will not sell', not ' you can not sell.' This business is saying 'you can not sell' rather than 'I will not sell.'
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What the bakery said was 'I will not sell', not ' you can not sell.' This business is saying 'you can not sell' rather than 'I will not sell.'
Oh you've got to be kidding. How about 'you cannot sell' through OUR website. Sounds like the same to me.
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Old 09/21/14, 05:25 PM
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Oh you've got to be kidding. How about 'you cannot sell' through OUR website. Sounds like the same to me.
I know and that does make me sad that the difference is not evident to you between saying I won't versus you won't. It's more like AT&T saying they will not allow any call to go through to the Redskins's headquarters rather than saying I personally will not call the Redskins. A political correctness step too far.

But, if making judgements like that becomes too much of a burden, then I fully trust that the market will adjust the website's principles. I suspect they simply looked at the number of indian oriented product sellers complaining versus the number of Redskin logo sellers and made a business judgement. It's better for the bottom line to keep the first group happy and let the second group go . Not all that noble and a definite slippery slope.
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Maybe they could claim it violates their religious beliefs, perhaps then you'd support it. Or if they said 'Etsy will no longer do business with the LGBT community'. Seems that idea goes over pretty well among the evangelical conservatives on this site.

As to it being 'like AT&T not carrying calls to the Redskins headquarters', I don't recall AT&T spelling out a clear policy of not offering merchandise that goes against their values like Etsy did. Sorry if you didn't read their terms and conditions, but they are pretty clear about what they will allow to be listed.

And you SELLING on Etsy is actually YOU PARTAKING OF ETSYS MERCHANDISE. Their 'merchandise' being their service of listing your item. If you support a bakers 'right' to refuse service to certain people, then you should be all for this. Personally, I don't care either way. I have no desire to buy any Redskins junk on Etsy, although I don't find the name offensive anyway. Stealing their land was about the ultimate offense, calling a team 'redskin' is pretty mild stuff compared to the evil already visited on the native Americans.
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Old 09/22/14, 02:49 PM
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Maybe they could claim it violates their religious beliefs, perhaps then you'd support it. Or if they said 'Etsy will no longer do business with the LGBT community'. Seems that idea goes over pretty well among the evangelical conservatives on this site.

As to it being 'like AT&T not carrying calls to the Redskins headquarters', I don't recall AT&T spelling out a clear policy of not offering merchandise that goes against their values like Etsy did. Sorry if you didn't read their terms and conditions, but they are pretty clear about what they will allow to be listed.

And you SELLING on Etsy is actually YOU PARTAKING OF ETSYS MERCHANDISE. Their 'merchandise' being their service of listing your item. If you support a bakers 'right' to refuse service to certain people, then you should be all for this. Personally, I don't care either way. I have no desire to buy any Redskins junk on Etsy, although I don't find the name offensive anyway. Stealing their land was about the ultimate offense, calling a team 'redskin' is pretty mild stuff compared to the evil already visited on the native Americans.
I actually do think they have a right to do so as long as they are not such a large part of the market place that they strangle the ability to sell somewhere else. But then I thought that the bakery had the right to refuse to produce a product they objected to. In fact, since it was direct personal labor rather than offering a marketplace, they had more right. Basically same philosophy of individual rights to choose how to use their labor. The market resolves poor choices by itself without my help. But, having offered a market place, Etsy has to get pretty petty to pick and choose as they do. Which is the complaint by conservatives, rather than what you chose to read into it.

But conversely, for all your noise about inconsistant values amoung conservatives, it is conflicting to say that Etsy does have the right to make value judgements but the aforementioned bakery does not. It makes it clear that your determination comes from your personal view of political correctness rather that the principle involved.

BTW since you are in receipt of property you allege is stolen, when are you planning to return it, however much you have, to the local indian tribe?
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