roundup is bad for your guts

unregistered358967 · #61 09/18/14, 10:58 PM

Lol, yh, I do. 99% of what my family eats is organic. Some things are impossible to buy but when given the choice I do. We even moved out of an hoa so we can now have a garden and chickens will be next spring. I pay for it $ but the health of my family is not something I compromise on. I stick to my co op, farmers markets, csa and even my honey is local within 30 miles. I have developed relationships with those I get the food from and when at the store I read labels and do research. I can't live on a true farm nor do I want to but I give my $ to folks who raise animals and crops in the way I feel works for us. I will do everything in my power as a mom to pass along the good eating habits and good food I had as a child. We are very healthy and just as importantly happy in our little place in this world. (And on that note, time for bed).

haley1 · #62 09/18/14, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleK

Tell you what - we'll sit down and go shot for shot, you drinking vinegar and me drinking Roundup. I'll stop drinking when you're dead.

Wow, sorry you would think that roundup is safer then vinegar. I would think after a cup or 2 of vinegar a person would have a hell of a stomach ache but after a few shots of roundup would be on the way to the ER or maybe the morgue.

Wendy · #63 09/18/14, 11:28 PM

For those of you that buy local & buy organic, I have something to tell you. Unless you personally go to that person's house & see how things are done, you are only taking their word for it that they are raising things the way they say they are. There is one guy that sets up at our local market & I know for a fact that he is not selling things he grew himself. He buys flats of strawberries at Kroger, takes them home & repackages them in his pretty little baskets & then re-sells them as locally grown. This happens a lot. People go to produce auctions & then sell it as locally grown.

I try to do things as naturally as I can. However, farmers could NEVER produce enough to feed everyone if they did not do things the way they do.

Sure, free range eggs are better tasting & better for you. Milk from pastured cows or goats is awesome. Pasture raised chickens can't be beat, I raise them myself. The people that do it that way just can't supply what is needed for the mass amounts of people.

I'm with FarmerDale, for those of you complaining about how things are being done, how should it be done? How can enough food be raised for everyone in the world if modern farming techniques aren't used? Groceries are already sky high in price. Think of how expensive things would be if we didn't have the ability to grow in mass quantities like we do. I think we'd all be a little hungry.

whistler · #64 09/18/14, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

It's a slow kill.

So at some point in the future all perennial plants will die? What will happen to annuals? Presumably the slow death takes longer than one growing season.

farmerDale · #65 09/18/14, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by haley1

Wow, sorry you would think that roundup is safer then vinegar. I would think after a cup or 2 of vinegar a person would have a hell of a stomach ache but after a few shots of roundup would be on the way to the ER or maybe the morgue.

Vinegar is brutal. It causes cancer. It is poisonous to pets and humans.

http://dherbs.com/news/4800/4669/Vic...l#.VBuxWvRDtrU

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...454464/?page=1

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/02/10/2...egar.html?rh=1

haley1 · #66 09/18/14, 11:48 PM

You better stop eating anything pickled then

DaleK · #67 09/19/14, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by haley1

Wow, sorry you would think that roundup is safer then vinegar. I would think after a cup or 2 of vinegar a person would have a hell of a stomach ache but after a few shots of roundup would be on the way to the ER or maybe the morgue.

And that shows what thinking will do for you. Simple math and science shows that vinegar with 5% acetic acid, which is normal household vinegar, is roughly 10 times more toxic by volume than Roundup.

watcher · #68 09/19/14, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

Tilling the soil really doesnt hurt it. Its been done that way for centuries.

Tilling the soil can hurt us. It was tilling soil which was a major contributor to this:

roundup is bad for your guts - General Chat

and this

watcher · #69 09/19/14, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

And you realize your attempt to discredit her opinion is pathetic ? She quotes a song that was written before you people used Round Up as salad dressing...ignoring the sentiment. Tit for tat - she doesn't want crap on her food. Period.

Then should she not eat organic? After all isn't one of the things they use to "improve the soil" animal crap?

I say that to bring up a point. There are dangers in everything. The eggs I get out of my coop from my free range chickens can be dangerous. I know the dangers and willing take the risk of eating them w/o following the USDA rules which are in place to reduce this risk in store bought eggs.

I know the risk involved in driving my truck into town, using my chainsaw to fell a tree and I know the risks involved in using chemicals. I have determined that rewards vastly outweigh the risk.

I know the risk of all this because I check all the FACTS not just look for anything which supports what I want. Think about it, if I wanted to be car free I could come up all kinds of data and studies and anecdotal stories of how dangerous cars are and scream about how we have to get rid of these killer machines. But the facts are around the world billions of trips are made safely everyday and the actual odds of an individual being involved in a fatal accident in the US are very, very small.

Yvonne's hubby · #70 09/19/14, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jax-mom

Lol, yh, I do. 99% of what my family eats is organic.

Thats great. Its always good to see people supporting their local small producers.

watcher · #71 09/19/14, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

I am as civil as they come until backed into a corner. Having fingers wagged in my face about needing the "brush up" on info, provide a source you approve of only (while you rely on the likes of Snopes), being called delusional, being stalked because I don't back down like you people have forced others to do, lies about being a high school drop out spread, being called a child abuser because I don't sit down and shut up ... the list doesn't end.

You, sparky, have ZERO place to tell ME to keep it civil. You would know civil if it slapped you upside the head.

If we can use any sources we like then I'm willing to bet I can find something to support anything you wish.

IIRC, in the late 70s(?) there was a "study" done showing that adult-child sex didn't harm the child emotionally nor psychologically and could actually benefit them. The fact it was done by a group which supported legalizing such actions would have NO effect on its validity, right?

Anyone with even a high school level statistics education can take data and set the parameters to get the results they wish.

Molly Mckee · #72 09/19/14, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Wendy

For those of you that buy local & buy organic, I have something to tell you. Unless you personally go to that person's house & see how things are done, you are only taking their word for it that they are raising things the way they say they are. There is one guy that sets up at our local market & I know for a fact that he is not selling things he grew himself. He buys flats of strawberries at Kroger, takes them home & repackages them in his pretty little baskets & then re-sells them as locally grown. This happens a lot. People go to produce auctions & then sell it as locally grown.

I try to do things as naturally as I can. However, farmers could NEVER produce enough to feed everyone if they did not do things the way they do.

Sure, free range eggs are better tasting & better for you. Milk from pastured cows or goats is awesome. Pasture raised chickens can't be beat, I raise them myself. The people that do it that way just can't supply what is needed for the mass amounts of people.

I'm with FarmerDale, for those of you complaining about how things are being done, how should it be done? How can enough food be raised for everyone in the world if modern farming techniques aren't used? Groceries are already sky high in price. Think of how expensive things would be if we didn't have the ability to grow in mass quantities like we do. I think we'd all be a little hungry.

We have a very large number of eastern European immigrants in our area. They sell a lot of organic products, including hay. They, and others, have noticed the big difference in prices between organic and non-organic. So they sell organic, but many don't grow organic. You figure it out.

If someone can explain how farmers can grow all organic, stay in business and support their families, and feed the numbers of people that need food, please explain it. What do you say to those who can't afford organic food?

If vinegar kills everything, it certainly won't work on crops. You have to have practical ideas to change things. Dead wheat or corn doesn't feed the world.

wr · #73 09/19/14, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

Tilling the soil really doesnt hurt it. Its been done that way for centuries. First you plow the field, then drag a heavy wooden beam over it to bust of the big clods, then run over it again with a harrow to prepare a seed bed. Next you plant, then get in there once a week and cultivate, go back in with a hoe to cut out the weeds between the individual plants. cultivate again to kill the weeds twixt the rows and one more time by hand. Of course this only works with row crops, not so well with grains which are way to thick for rows. It also involves about 10 trips over the field with equipment and a couple times on foot. But hey, fuel is cheap and time has no value whatsoever. Around here farmers go across their fields exactly one time in the spring... spraying that nasty roundup as they go, adding fertilizer and planting the seeds all in one fell swoop. They come back in the fall, harvest a weed free crop and let all that organic matter (corn stalks, soy bean vines etc) fall back on the field to naturally decompose and build the soil. According to them they are saving both time, and huge amounts of money in fuel and equipment, plus combatting soil erosion by using this new fangled "no till" process. Just because they are getting a 50 percent higher yield with half the expense... I just cant see how they are coming up ahead of the game. Grain farmers should be letting half their land lay fallow to two years and go over it with rod weeders to keep weeds under control so there will be no weed seed to germinate on that third years when they do plow, drag, fertilize, harrow and plant. After all whats a few weed seeds in our bread wheat? Even if it does cost twice as much to produce a half a crop? Its not like they are competing with anyone else for a market share.

The no till process has been a huge advancement in my area. You can see the significant amount of soil erosion in areas where conventional farming was practiced for decades and the wind can be so bad at times that our topsoil ends up on farmerDale's land.

wr · #74 09/19/14, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by haley1

You better stop eating anything pickled then

I eat plenty of things pickled but I can't remember ever sitting down and drinking a jar of pickle juice and realistically, anything I eat pickled, is usually a condiment or a side so I don't make a full meal of it.

I do remember sitting down one time and eating a good sized jar of pickled beans one time and having a fairly significant belly ache when I went to bed.

PrettyPaisley · #75 09/19/14, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by watcher

If we can use any sources we like then I'm willing to bet I can find something to support anything you wish.

IIRC, in the late 70s(?) there was a "study" done showing that adult-child sex didn't harm the child emotionally nor psychologically and could actually benefit them. The fact it was done by a group which supported legalizing such actions would have NO effect on its validity, right?

Anyone with even a high school level statistics education can take data and set the parameters to get the results they wish.

That works both ways. Especially when you don't even allow studies to be done. It's always a benefit to your cause when you can say "no credible studies have ever been done to link blahblahblahblahblahblah" knowing full well your well compensated lawyers covered your butt before hand.

Yvonne's hubby · #76 09/19/14, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

That works both ways. Especially when you don't even allow studies to be done. It's always a benefit to your cause when you can say "no credible studies have ever been done to link blahblahblahblahblahblah" knowing full well your well compensated lawyers covered your butt before hand.

I know of no law that prevents anyone from studying anything.

farmerDale · #77 09/19/14, 12:08 PM

More studies have been done on conventional food crops than on organic crops. That is a sad fact.

wr · #78 09/19/14, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

And you realize your attempt to discredit her opinion is pathetic ? She quotes a song that was written before you people used Round Up as salad dressing...ignoring the sentiment. Tit for tat - she doesn't want crap on her food. Period.

If she doesn't want crap on her food, she should probably avoid organics because it is my understanding they use that as fertilizer pretty regularly

PrettyPaisley · #79 09/19/14, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

I know of no law that prevents anyone from studying anything.

Well that's it. If you know of no law then case closed. End of story.

Yvonne's hubby · #80 09/19/14, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

Well that's it. If you know of no law then case closed. End of story.

Actually no, its not "end of story", its an invitation to become better educated... If there is such a law, I would love to hear about it... at this point in time I have not. A year ago I had not heard about the farmer in Oregon who discovered some GMO wheat growing on his farm either... but I do now. Learning new stuff is my primary reason for coming on HT.