Iraq Is Quickly Being Taken Over By ISIS !
 

.................The existing government in Iraq is quickly being Outgunned by the Militant group ISIS ! The Iraqi army soldiers are simply laying down their rifles , taking off their uniforms and taking the first taxi back to Baghdad , lol !
.................The Obama adm. has had a 14 Billion program to outfit and train the Iraqi Army with modern US weapons and ISIS has been gifted hugh amounts of these weapons by the Iraqi Army as they abandon their garrisons and guard posts ! Malarky Al Malarky the elected leader has declared a state of emergency and the Iraqi airforce , such as it exists , has been bombing it's own military installations to depose the members of ISIS .
..................Let's hope Obama doesn't send the Marines back into Iraqi to REfight the war all over again for the 3rd. time ! :sob: , fordy

Obama would support the ISIS. He already has in Syria. They are one of the groups that has been fighting Assad.

Who's surprised by this? What do you think will happen when we leave Afghanistan? I don't think there will ever be peace in the Middle East until the end times- when there's nobody left to fight.

this is exactly what everyone said would happen. What a mess I suggest you put food aside and clean your guns and get ready for starving hords of people killing everything.

This has been happening since 1953 :Bawling: Feel so sorry for our Children that were sent over there that gave so much for those people including my Baby Brother.

Before long I'm afraid it will be here where we will be fighting for so much more and more willing to lay down our lives. :(

big rockpile

In 2002, I angered my family when I sent them articles such as the one below that tried to talk sense. Unfortunately, even the Christians I knew were anxious for war, despite worshipping the Prince of Peace and love and forgiveness.

We just can't seem to grasp the concept of leaving people alone. As big rockpile said, we've been messing with that region since at least the 1950's, installing or supporting this or that dictator. Hundreds of thousands dead. Trillions wasted. Countless lives ruined in our country - thousands of debilitated and maimed soldiers that will require lifetime care. Think of their families.

http://www.cato.org/publications/com...-what-you-wish

By the way, I was recently reading War is a Racket, by General Smedley Butler, written in 1933. Could have written it yesterday. Nothing changes, except the dollar figures he cites as war profits would have to be adjusted for inflation.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4377.htm


There is a reason Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex.



As Nazi party member Goering said in his trial after WW2, people are easy to manipulate:

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

I too feel sorry for all of our troops killed or maimed fighting over there. It is a shame for all the money we gave to the war machine. I think that a lot of manufactures were here in the USA. So they got fat on the backs of out troops. And we get the honor of paying for it.

When I first heard of Iraq being over-run, I thought, "Who cares. Good riddance." Now that I understand how vicious the ISIS are and how they are planning on using Iraq as a home-base for creating mass terror attacks in the US and Israel, I'm seeing the wisdom of risking American lives in stabilizing that area. Our current foreign policy sucks and many, many more Americans will die because we'll be fighting global terrorism in a few years when we had the chance to contain the problem now - but didn't because Obama doesn't have the guts or brains.

..............Some think that had we left a 'combat contingency' on the ground we could have prevented this current insurgency ! Malaki has created his own monster because his government is NOT inclusive by sharing power with the Sunni's..............neither did Saddam so One Dictator was replaced by a subsequent member of the same religion . Is it any wonder that the Sunni's want the blood of their most hated counterparts ?
...............And , had some American combat forces been left in Iraqi , we would be airlifting................MORE , combat forces and just recreating the very same scenario that GB initiated when we invaded Iraq in 2003 ! There is NO victory nor any logical reason to sacrifice any more American GI's in Iraq . These Islamic morons will be killing each other till the end of time and nothing is going to supplant their hatred of each other nor their hatred of the Jews . , fordy

The biggest problem is that America has never recogized that Iraq is an artifical construct that never existed as a real country.

At the end of the British colonial period, English diplomats simply drew lines on the map of the middle east, partisioning parcels of land into newly created national entities that they named Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Kuwait, and Iraq. They really didn't try to make borders along more natural criteria like language, tribes, or customs. Local strong men like Sadom Husein kept that status-quo in place by vicious deadly force.

It's only natural that these local forces are finally trying to express their own national identities without external forces trying to mold them the way we see fit. These people would have been a lot better off if we had just let them create their own republics with names like Kurdistan, Sunnistan, and Shiteastan.

The worst part is that we Americans sacrified so many lives on disparate people that have always been at each others throats naturally.

no problem, Obama will bow to them and all will be well

The first and third parts of your statement are correct, but the second part about Saddam may not be... it's kind of hard to tell. My apologies if you're saying the same thing that I'm attempting to clarify below:

Saddam was a Sunni, and most of the officers in his army were also Sunni. The Shia were primary drafted foot soldiers. After the defeat of the Iraqi army in 2003, Paul Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army, and when the new Iraqi army was formed under the new primarily Shiite government, the former Sunni officers weren't permitted to join. A large part of those officers are now part of ISIS/ISIL.

So, basically, the new Iraqi Prime Minister is the opposing religion, not the same as Saddam, and the Sunni's who were in power under Saddam are trying to get that power back.

It's easy to get things confused over there, and I wouldn't be surprised if I've made some mistakes.

Saudi Arabia is primarily Sunni, and is our "ally".
Iran is Shia, and is our "enemy"
Saddam was Sunni, and was our ally until GW1 when he became our enemy.
The "freedom fighters" in Syria are Sunni, supplied with weapons from the CIA, fighting against the Shiite Assad government, which is allied with Iran.
However, those same Sunni "freedom fighters" have now crossed back into Iraq and are fighting against the Shiite government we helped set up.
And now Iran is wanting to send Shiite Revolutionary Guard units to train and equip Shiite militias to help defend the Iraqi government from the Sunni insurgents.

Ugh.

..............Yes , you are correct........thanks , fordy !

My husband is a military contractor. He is stateside now, but was recently in Afghanistan. We have two friends that are at this moment, stranded in Iraq.

We heard from one, 2 days ago, that there is no plan to help them and no plan to get them out. He also said that the news here is about 2 to 3 days behind the story and that they aren't giving the whole story.

Some of the contractors have been using Twitter to keep their families and friends updated. If you want to know the real story from the ground, go on twitter and search Iraq.

We are so scared for our friends. They don't think that they are going to make it out alive.

The only thing that will stop all this is a show of consolidated power. If the US cannot stand together as a Christian nation, we at least need to stand together as a nation. From everything we were taught back in the day, the CIA was global and knew everything. If I were the president I would withdraw from everywhere with the understanding.... you mess with the bull, you get the horns. The CIA doesn't know where Al Qaeda operates? They don't know where the Taliban is located? I would let countries worldwide know, you harbor these people and they attack us, you're going to be carpet bombed from one end to the other. Screw "boots on the ground". They always say we need "boots on the ground" to clean up. Screw that, let THEM clean up. It's not our responsibility to clean up after what THEY started. You leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. You want to worship Islam in the US that's fine as long as you don't break any US or state laws. You do, you're screwed. It's time we started getting rid of political correctness and started fighting fire with fire and a little WWII FU attitude.

You know..... I'm really sorry for your friends. But for years and years, people have been working in the middle east for money. Tax free money. You may as well sell drugs in the ghettos of Chicago or New York. It's a crap shoot either way. And after Benghazi? Anyone who works over there after those people were hung out to dry is a complete idiot. I don't care what your political affiliation is, if they don't realize that, they're idiots. They're stranded and they think anyone in Washington gives a crap.... REALLY? I'm sick to death of idiots travelling and WORKING overseas when they don't have to and every time something happens they flash their "credentials" and they wonder why no one over there gives a crap before they rape them, put a bullet in them, cut their heads off or they're blindfolded on the evening news.... Wake up. We CONSTANTLY send people into terrible situations and risk their lives to get idiots out of trouble who have no business being there in the first place. And you don't have to give me all the reasons your husband is a contractor or what good work they're doing or whatever..... I'm just saying. It's time we stopped risking the lives of 20 to save the lives of 2 or whatever. I'd give the lives of 100 to save the life of 1 on American soil, but it's time we start being realistic about what's going on in the world.

Well, this is all a bit like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Sunni, Shiite...two ends of the same turd.

I typed this the other day when I was pretty grump Loriann. I apologize for being a goober. It's pretty much how I feel, but I didn't have to be rude about it. :o

As harsh as it sounds, the truth of the matter is, we created this mess. At least the current extension of it.
Not that I cared for Sadam Hussien, but if he were still in power, this wouldn't be happening.
Sure, he was a stark and stern dictator who ruled with an iron fist, but none of the insurgent groups would have dared attack his country like this.
We took down one evil, only to unlock the door for more evil to enter.

Sooner or later our government needs to learn to let other countries weed out their own problems and use our resources to weed out ours.

While all that's true, I don't believe those facts paint an accurate picture of the situation in Iraq.

Understand that the portions of Iraq that have been taken by militants are Sunni territory. Those areas would have welcomed the militants, since they are there in the interest of Sunnis. Moreover, the Iraqi troops (read that "Shiite troops") in Mosul were guarding a Sunni city, which they had no interest in protecting. Yes, they removed their uniforms and bugged-out, but you won't see the same lack of interest in Baghdad and other Shiite areas. You can expect a fight.

Expect the fight in Baghdad to be fought as an insurgency with IEDs and suicide missions, not an armed military-style conflict. They'll try a military conflict, but when they see the resistance they'll send in insurgents. It will also take a while.

The real problem will be in how to take back occupied Sunni cities.

We are only involved because of the politics of oil. It has nothing to do with peoples lives, rights, anything else except oil. We need to bore a pipeline from the U.S. to the middle east and just suck out all the oil.

.................The residents of those Sunni territories that had previously supported Sadam were 'Liberals' which means they will NOT support ISIS for any type of long term goverance ! They will accept ISIS for the time being because it is either that or be shot . It is just a matter of time until ISIS will find itself at odds(at war) with all moderate Sunni's in northern Iraq and their hold on power and their military strength will diminish with time . Malaki is either going to open his political tent to moderate Sunni's or someone is going to put a 9mm in the back of his very hard head ! Once he is gone inclusiveness will become the solution for the formation of a national governing power structure that can reestablish the Army to remove members of ISIS and their control of acquired territories with the exception of the Kurds .
.................ISIS can't move north because to engage the Kurds means engaging The Whole Of Turkey as well . Oddly enough this crisis has brought the Kurds and the Turks into a partnership to secure the oil fields in northern Iraq as well as provide security for the Turks southern border .
In addition , this situation has created the most favorable set of circumstances for the Kurds to actually form their own nation...........They have good relations with Turkey , Iraq is politically and militarily weak and so the Kurds have taken management and control of the oil fields around Kirkuk(sp) ! Even , IF , Malaki survives , the Iraqi military will probably never take back control of the northern oil fields that have been ceded to the Kurds . , fordy