Second grade student says teacher took away her Bible during rea

Nate_in_IN · #61 05/01/14, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

Would you take away pens and pencils if they were used as a weapon?

What if the book was the Poetic Edda?
Would you ban that book if used as a weapon?
Would you take it from the child?

Yes to all but banning, and I wouldn't feel it was restricting the child's choice nor participation in their religion.

beowoulf90 · #62 05/01/14, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate_in_IN

Yes to all but banning, and I wouldn't feel it was restricting the child's choice nor participation in their religion.

My questions were more rhetorical than anything..
Of course you would remove the item being used as a weapon from the culprit, no matter what it is..

Or lets just say I would.

MJsLady · #63 05/01/14, 09:01 AM

Many folks feel the Bible is a weapon against them even when it is not physically used to hit them.

ErinP · #64 05/01/14, 09:38 AM

So? Many people feel global warming is a serious threat to human civilization.
But what on earth does it have to do with the conversation at hand??

kendall j · #65 05/01/14, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

Wow, you really are heading down a twisted road, whist formulating hate filled assumptions like that. How about another guess for you. The parents are extreme in their beliefs, and push the kid into being a big bible fan in order to please them. That's a lot more believable, since a typical 2nd grader is much more concerned about things like, wait for it, since this is deep....... reading children's books. Wow, who knew?

Now, how about another guess? The kid was encouraged to wave that bible around in hopes of generating exactly that response. Now the parents are delighted, Faux news is involved and adding their twisted half truths, and propaganda spewing bile, and you have your panties in a twist over a non-event, since that's how you are trained to respond by the media.

It's simple, it's a public school. Leave the religious materials at home where they belong, and stop using young children as pawns to pummel the public with your agenda. Problem solved. If the kid was dressed in a burka, and wanted to face Mecca 5X a day to pray. Faux news and all the knuckle draggers would have a fit. So drop the games and keep religion in the home where it belongs, or put the kid in an educational environment that suits your needs, and exposes them to YOUR beliefs.

That's right. Take away the constitutional rights of students so everyone in the public schools can be comfortable and unoffended.

I couldn't care less what the kid was reading. If it was a Koran, a Bible, or whatever. Their rights are protected by the First Amendment.

Your statement is so wrong, it boggles the mind. Talk about knuckle dragging........

Tricky Grama · #66 05/02/14, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

No, she doesn't.

If a class is studying Dickens a child cannot be reading The Bible, Shakespeare or Harry Potter in the Dickens class.

It was 'free time'. Not regular class.

ErinP · #67 05/02/14, 01:03 PM

We really don't know that, either.

The statement from the school (after they found out about this via the media

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“If the incident did in fact happen as the parents explained it, then the second grade child would certainly be allowed to read the Bible during the personal reading time. During a student’s independent reading time, students are required to read a book that is ‘Just Right.’ A ‘Just Right’ book is when the student can read most of the words, comprehend the text and that the book is appropriate for the type of text or genre that is being taught. As such religious material, including the Bible, which meets these guidelines, would be permissible for a classroom assignment and/or independent reading.”

It's not at all unusual that there are parameters for "free" reading time.

Do we have any updates on this?
Have we heard from anyone other than the second grader, yet?

**Tiempo** · #68 05/02/14, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

It was 'free time'. Not regular class.

I was addressing this specific remark in your comment

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That Kid has a right to read the bible...ANYWHERE!

And my answer remains the same

LisaInN.Idaho · #69 05/02/14, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

We really don't know that, either.

The statement from the school (after they found out about this via the media

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It's not at all unusual that there are parameters for "free" reading time.

Do we have any updates on this?
Have we heard from anyone other than the second grader, yet?

Exactly. In my kids classrooms, "free" reading time was within the parameters of the AR program.

willow_girl · #70 05/03/14, 12:12 AM

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Besides there are many kid friendly stories.
Noah, Christs parables, Christ's birth, just to name 3.

And some not-so-kid-friendly ones too! Ezekiel 23:20 is definitely PG-13 or maybe R .. my favorite verse BTW.

Andrewhill · #71 05/03/14, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate_in_IN

Ok since we are enjoying conjecture let me throw this hypothetical out there.

What if the student had thrown her bible and struck another student. Should the teacher take it away then or is the bible somehow protected from confiscation? There is as much supportive evidence for this scenario as any of the others.

Any book can be thrown so should every kid lose their book? If books are so bad what should kids be learning from? Hands can be weapons should kids have them cut off? Feet? Knees? Elbows? Kids can head-but should heads be cut off?

Where does the paranoia end?

mmoetc · #72 05/03/14, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrewhill

Any book can be thrown so should every kid lose their book? If books are so bad what should kids be learning from? Hands can be weapons should kids have them cut off? Feet? Knees? Elbows? Kids can head-but should heads be cut off?

Where does the paranoia end?

It's paranoia to fear all books. It's painful when a book hits your head.

Nate_in_IN · #73 05/03/14, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrewhill

Any book can be thrown so should every kid lose their book? If books are so bad what should kids be learning from? Hands can be weapons should kids have them cut off? Feet? Knees? Elbows? Kids can head-but should heads be cut off?

Where does the paranoia end?

Not every kid should lose their book, just the ones who don't use it properly.

I think the book was just taken away, not banned.

wr · #74 05/03/14, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LisaInN.Idaho

Exactly. In my kids classrooms, "free" reading time was within the parameters of the AR program.

It's been a while since my kids were that young but the free reading time based on guideline or parameters which were based on age appropriate themes that may be classroom related (often associated the social studies), seasonal but always established by the teacher. It's always been a program intended to encourage literacy and teaches children about library borrowing.

The parents did not handle this situation in a way that allows people to make many informed opinions but if the bible was borrowed from the library and fit the criteria of the parameters established for the reading program, there should have been no problem but I have a feeling the parents may have misunderstood the free reading program.

willow_girl · #75 05/03/14, 09:33 PM

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Many folks feel the Bible is a weapon against them even when it is not physically used to hit them.

I can't imagine why anyone would object to a book that proclaims society ought to execute them for no greater crime than loving someone of the same gender.

Vash · #76 05/04/14, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

I can't imagine why anyone would object to a book that proclaims society ought to execute them for no greater crime than loving someone of the same gender.

You're speaking of the Quran, right?

JeffreyD · #77 05/04/14, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vash

You're speaking of the Quran, right?

Folks get different meanings from the bible. Some see hate and some see peace and love. Those that see the hate like to use it to spread their own, but blame it on the book itself.

Danaus29 · #78 05/04/14, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

It's simple, it's a public school. Leave the religious materials at home where they belong, and stop using young children as pawns to pummel the public with your agenda. Problem solved. If the kid was dressed in a burka, and wanted to face Mecca 5X a day to pray. Faux news and all the knuckle draggers would have a fit. So drop the games and keep religion in the home where it belongs, or put the kid in an educational environment that suits your needs, and exposes them to YOUR beliefs.

Oh I can tell that you don't live anywhere near New Somalia. There are prayer rooms in most public schools around here just for Muslim use while Christians are not allowed to say grace before lunch or organize a moment of silence before school starts.

And it's really pitiful that an employer allows certain religions to have prayer breaks but tells others that they are required to work on religious holydays.

Paumon · #79 05/04/14, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

Wow, you really are heading down a twisted road, whist formulating hate filled assumptions like that. How about another guess for you. The parents are extreme in their beliefs, and push the kid into being a big bible fan in order to please them. That's a lot more believable, since a typical 2nd grader is much more concerned about things like, wait for it, since this is deep....... reading children's books. Wow, who knew?

Now, how about another guess? The kid was encouraged to wave that bible around in hopes of generating exactly that response. Now the parents are delighted, Faux news is involved and adding their twisted half truths, and propaganda spewing bile, and you have your panties in a twist over a non-event, since that's how you are trained to respond by the media.

It's simple, it's a public school. Leave the religious materials at home where they belong, and stop using young children as pawns to pummel the public with your agenda. Problem solved. If the kid was dressed in a burka, and wanted to face Mecca 5X a day to pray. Faux news and all the knuckle draggers would have a fit. So drop the games and keep religion in the home where it belongs, or put the kid in an educational environment that suits your needs, and exposes them to YOUR beliefs.

You nailed it dead on and the agenda is so obvious it just jumps up and slaps one in the face. The thing that disturbs me is that so many other people would either deny themselves from recognizing the extreme agenda of the parents for what it is or else condone it because of their own like-minded extremism.

How can these people not see what they are becoming and how much harm they are causing to society?

I feel sorry for that 2nd grader. I hate to see people getting brainwashed into mindless Borg but it's so much worse when you see it happening to young children.

Work horse · #80 05/04/14, 06:41 PM

Maybe the teacher has been taking away books from other students that are very violent? Or does anyone here deny that there is a lot of violence in the bible?