Second grade student says teacher took away her Bible during rea

MJsLady · #21 04/29/14, 04:16 PM

Above her reading level? Umm depends on the child. It also would depend on what she was reading in the Bible. If her parents have been teaching her Bible since she was an infant, she may very well at 7 be able to read and comprehend at least parts of the Bible. Especially if they teach her in the old ways. Just because modernists say the Bible is an 8th grade level book does not make it so. All that means is educators have dumbed down things to make it easy as eating apple sauce instead of making kids learn to think at younger ages so at the older ones they can truly read and solve complex life problems.

Besides there are many kid friendly stories.
Noah, Christs parables, Christ's birth, just to name 3.

no really · #22 04/30/14, 07:33 AM

Read in another article that the child read at a 5th grade level, as said there are some Bibles specifically made for children.

**Tiempo** · #23 04/30/14, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

Wow, what a conclusion.

Its pretty simple. Those who are working so diligently at taking Christ out of everything, the "secularists" they tend to call themselves, along w/bunch of others who are terribly ignorant on the Constitution, think that it says "freedom FROM religion" not "freedom OF religion".
That Kid has a right to read the bible...ANYWHERE!

No, she doesn't.

If a class is studying Dickens a child cannot be reading The Bible, Shakespeare or Harry Potter in the Dickens class.

Belldandy · #24 04/30/14, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wy_white_wolf

Looks like the problem teacher will be corrected.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/23...-reading-time/

Thank God.

ErinP · #25 04/30/14, 09:02 AM

And we wonder why there are spoiled brats in school these days.

It's not because teachers aren't allowed to paddle, or school prayer is gone or whatever else I see floating around.

It's because PARENTS LOOK FOR EXCUSES TO UNDERMINE TEACHERS' AUTHORITY.
There is an adversarial view of education these days that is not healthy for the students. Instead of giving schools and teachers the benefit of the doubt, that they want what's best for a child's success, the assumption is too-often that they're trying to hurt my little Jimmy.

We still don't know what the whole story is, but look at how many people are willing to hang this teacher over nothing more than what a 2nd grader said.

And the fact that the family contacted the Liberty Institute instead of the school board, tells us a lot...

dixiegal62 · #26 04/30/14, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

And we wonder why there are spoiled brats in school these days.

It's not because teachers aren't allowed to paddle, or school prayer is gone or whatever else I see floating around.

It's because PARENTS LOOK FOR EXCUSES TO UNDERMINE TEACHERS' AUTHORITY.

We still don't know what the whole story is, but look at how many people are willing to hang this teacher over nothing more than what a 2nd grader said.

And the fact that the family contacted the Liberty Institute instead of the school board, tells us a lot...

That's because some teachers go too far. When my daughter was in the 1st grade she wanted to grow long bangs so we got her hair clips and kept her hair pulled back. Her teacher took it upon herself to cut my daughters bangs! I guess I should have let it go and not undermined her teachers authority. No teacher has the right to decide what my child should or shouldn't be reading, that's my call.

ErinP · #27 04/30/14, 09:23 AM

Of course not.

But what was your course of action?
Did you retain a lawyer immediately? Call Fox news?

Or did you talk to the teacher first? (Because this is what logic would dictate; that you talk to the other party first.)
Or, if you're positive the teacher did this maliciously, rather than just trying to be helpful, the principal?
Perhaps the superintendant or the Board?

At what point DID you call a liberties organization and contact the press?

LisaInN.Idaho · #28 04/30/14, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

And we wonder why there are spoiled brats in school these days.

It's not because teachers aren't allowed to paddle, or school prayer is gone or whatever else I see floating around.

It's because PARENTS LOOK FOR EXCUSES TO UNDERMINE TEACHERS' AUTHORITY.
There is an adversarial view of education these days that is not healthy for the students. Instead of giving schools and teachers the benefit of the doubt, that they want what's best for a child's success, the assumption is too-often that they're trying to hurt my little Jimmy.

We still don't know what the whole story is, but look at how many people are willing to hang this teacher over nothing more than what a 2nd grader said.

And the fact that the family contacted the Liberty Institute instead of the school board, tells us a lot...

And why not go even to the principal or speak to the teacher herself? Completely ridiculous. These parents are showboating.Even if they HAVE a legitimate complaint they could have talked to the school first.

dixiegal62 · #29 04/30/14, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

Of course not.

But what was your course of action?
Did you retain a lawyer immediately? Call Fox news?

Or did you talk to the teacher first? (Because this is what logic would dictate; that you talk to the other party first.)
Or, if you're positive the teacher did this maliciously, rather than just trying to be helpful, the principal?
Perhaps the superintendant or the Board?

At what point DID you call a liberties organization and contact the press?

Of course I didn't call the press but if it had involved my daughters religious freedom I probably would have.

ErinP · #30 04/30/14, 09:42 AM

Even BEFORE talking to the teacher, principal or board??

If the parents had done the RIGHT thing, and spoken to the teacher first, there's probably a perfectly good explanation for this.
If not, they next go to the principal who would have dealt with an over-zealous teacher who didn't understand the law, as well as school policy, by just explaining it to her.

Teacher would have told Little Susie she was sorry, she misunderstood and she is free to read her Bible if she wishes.

But that doesn't generate conflict, so we'd better call a lawyer first, and Fox News second!

Nate_in_IN · #31 04/30/14, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

And the fact that the family contacted the Liberty Institute instead of the school board, tells us a lot...

Don't forget the Liberty Institute took the time to interview parents of other children who attend the school, but did not yet speak with the principle or superintendent before writing the article.

LisaInN.Idaho · #32 04/30/14, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dixiegal62

Of course I didn't call the press but if it had involved my daughters religious freedom I probably would have.

How would you have known if it involved your daughter's religious freedom if you didn't talk to the school first?

tiffnzacsmom · #33 04/30/14, 11:51 AM

My daughter was marked illegally absent when she attended an event with members of our faith. The school was notified in advance and the note after included phone numbers for our clergy if there were questions. I spoke to the school secretary to have it corrected but she wouldn't, said she had never heard of our faith and that was that. I went to the assistant principal and got it fixed. I thought I followed the proper channels I guess I should have went to an outside source to make a stink. Maybe next year...

ErinP · #34 04/30/14, 12:16 PM

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I thought I followed the proper channels I guess I should have went to an outside source to make a stink. Maybe next year...

Why?

You just told us you got it fixed by a mere assistant principal.

(Or are you being facetious and it went over my head. lol)

wharton · #35 04/30/14, 12:35 PM

Wow, there are more than a few times that I disagree with Erin, but she is spot on here. This is nothing more than a game played to incite the low information, religious extremist crowd, like the resident pagan here. After all it has to be true, Faux news told me so......

Once again, if you don't want your kids exposed to things like secular education, science, diversity and everything else you rally against, send them to a private school.

As for the Pagan's silly comment about education in PA. after thirty years of being married to a public school teacher, all I can say is nice try. Your opinions and hatred are one thing, your own version of the facts is another. If you don't like to pay for public education, move to a southern state that places little value in it, and see your taxes drop to a small percentage of your current amount. As for the claim that homeschooling is somehow going to land you in jail, right...... Our district supports well over 100 home schooled kids.

tiffnzacsmom · #36 04/30/14, 01:00 PM

Erin, I was being sarcastic, sorry.

MJsLady · #37 04/30/14, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

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Once again, if you don't want your kids exposed to things like secular education, science, diversity and everything else you rally against, send them to a private school.

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There is no diversity here, only one way to go.
Diversity would mean the Bible views would get equal and fair time to the "secular" stuff. Diversity means ALL parties get a say not just the pc ones at the moment.

ErinP · #38 04/30/14, 02:21 PM

Do you really mean ALL parties??
Muslims (and their various sects), all Christian denominations, Jews (and their various levels), all varieties of Buddhists, Shinto, Hindu, naturalists, Wiccan...

Good heavens!!

How will they have time to do that silly little stuff like math and reading?!?!

(And what does this have to do with the issue at hand? Kids are allowed to read their Bibles in school...)

beowoulf90 · #39 04/30/14, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErinP

And we wonder why there are spoiled brats in school these days.

It's not because teachers aren't allowed to paddle, or school prayer is gone or whatever else I see floating around.

It's because PARENTS LOOK FOR EXCUSES TO UNDERMINE TEACHERS' AUTHORITY.
There is an adversarial view of education these days that is not healthy for the students. Instead of giving schools and teachers the benefit of the doubt, that they want what's best for a child's success, the assumption is too-often that they're trying to hurt my little Jimmy.

We still don't know what the whole story is, but look at how many people are willing to hang this teacher over nothing more than what a 2nd grader said.

And the fact that the family contacted the Liberty Institute instead of the school board, tells us a lot...

What if the teacher is wrong, such as the American Civil War starting in Fort Sumter, VA. When I corrected the teacher (in private) I was treated with disdain and threatened to be ejected from the school. I took it to the principal and got no results other than the mantra that the Teacher is Right.. Funny when I took it to the School Board they had all kinds of excuses why the text book was wrong, but they did correct it eventually..

Anyway, I think I should have gone to some other Org/ Group/media.. Then maybe they would get rid of these indoctrinators and hire teachers.

I also wonder how many of the folks at Fort Sumter, SC actually know that they are Virginians, at least according to some teachers.. Also funny is every time I visit Fort Sumter, I always seen more SC license plates than any other plates.. I can only assume that South Carolinian's value Civil War history more than others.

beowoulf90 · #40 04/30/14, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

Wow, there are more than a few times that I disagree with Erin, but she is spot on here. This is nothing more than a game played to incite the low information, religious extremist crowd, like the resident pagan here. After all it has to be true, Faux news told me so......

Once again, if you don't want your kids exposed to things like secular education, science, diversity and everything else you rally against, send them to a private school.

As for the Pagan's silly comment about education in PA. after thirty years of being married to a public school teacher, all I can say is nice try. Your opinions and hatred are one thing, your own version of the facts is another. If you don't like to pay for public education, move to a southern state that places little value in it, and see your taxes drop to a small percentage of your current amount. As for the claim that homeschooling is somehow going to land you in jail, right...... Our district supports well over 100 home schooled kids.

You really don't read well do you?

My very first comment/sentence was

This is a generalization.

Simply because we don't have all the facts.

You took it as hatred..

When I showed you were wrong, you now want to say my comments are silly.. Fine enjoy yourself!

As to the facts here in PA.. You haven't lost your home for Public school taxes or don't know anyone who has.. I do.. They (the taxes) are never enough. Even if you pay for private school you still have to pay the taxes for Public school.. So you have to pay twice.. Oh and they (the Government) decide what your Home and property are worth and that value continually goes up even during the market decline..