I'm bloody well tired

Twobottom · #41 03/26/14, 01:32 PM

I think alot of people also get the idea that they are "losing" an argument if more people disagree with them. Its all perception.

Ardie/WI · #42 03/26/14, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by arcticow

Ardie, it's not me, got a real thick hide. It's when they gang other folks...

Well, this is only my opinion. If someone is being ganged up on, they have a choice! They can sit there and continue to being ganged up one OR they can walk away! Personally, I don't feel that that nonsense is worth my time. It's pretty difficult to gang up on someone who turns their back on that juvenile behavior.

Ardie/WI · #43 03/26/14, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AngieM2

And an insult can be couched in elegant words.

Yes, and it's pretty difficult to insult someone who doesn't respect you.

Ziptie · #44 03/26/14, 02:16 PM

I think Spring better get here soon before we.....

where I want to · #45 03/26/14, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by emdeengee

I would not hold back. It is rather dishonest if you do. And anyone's opinions don't scare me at all. If you have something to say then say it - just in a courteous manner. Why would anyone find it necessary to INSULT someone because they think differently? An adult can and will control themselves. Using insults does not make you inarticulate. It makes you rude. Your meaning is articulate. Insults can be very expressive and eloquent but in the end just juvenile.

Because some don't have the words. I agree with you about distorting names to convey contempt but there are plenty who don't agree.
If it's important they stop, then you need to pursue the issue yourself. The moderators, who may agree with you, can not until it reaches levels of obscenity.
I do that on some things, like what I consider to be insults to my country by foreigners and sometimes citizens. Comments on policy is fine, wholesale pointless insults are not.
I am the same with my state. California can become quite a whipping boy. Some is certainly deserved but a fair amount is just ignorant parroting of biased media people. And a lack of knowledge. So I will get personal about it. After all it's my home and I love much more of it than I dislike. Sometimes it's a close call.
How can you say holding back is wrong at the same time you advocate the monitors doing it for you according to you desires? Frankly sometimes and some people need to be passed, either because they are slow or they simply won't come up to speed. Doesn't mean I have to flip them the finger as I pass. Doesn't mean I have to react if they flip me off either.

emdeengee · #46 03/26/14, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by where I want to

Because some don't have the words. I agree with you about distorting names to convey contempt but there are plenty who don't agree.
If it's important they stop, then you need to pursue the issue yourself. The moderators, who may agree with you, can not until it reaches levels of obscenity.
I do that on some things, like what I consider to be insults to my country by foreigners and sometimes citizens. Comments on policy is fine, wholesale pointless insults are not.
I am the same with my state. California can become quite a whipping boy. Some is certainly deserved but a fair amount is just ignorant parroting of biased media people. And a lack of knowledge. So I will get personal about it. After all it's my home and I love much more of it than I dislike. Sometimes it's a close call.
How can you say holding back is wrong at the same time you advocate the monitors doing it for you according to you desires? Frankly sometimes and some people need to be passed, either because they are slow or they simply won't come up to speed. Doesn't mean I have to flip them the finger as I pass. Doesn't mean I have to react if they flip me off either.

If you have something to say then say it. Holding back your opinion is not necessary. It can always be expressed respectfully. Holding back a vulgar tongue and not being offensive and insulting in your reply is the only holding back that I advocate. And supervising that is the monitors job.

where I want to · #47 03/26/14, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by emdeengee

If you have something to say then say it. Holding back your opinion is not necessary. It can always be expressed respectfully. Holding back a vulgar tongue and not being offensive and insulting in your reply is the only holding back that I advocate. And supervising that is the monitors job.

Really? How is it possible to say to someone that their statement is illogical, or they are a racist or they are not experiencing what they say they are without the very idea being insulting?

poppy · #48 03/26/14, 03:18 PM

Some people are just too thin skinned to be posting on topics they know will stir up disagreement. I've had some heated disagreements on here, mainly in politics, over the years but I never felt insulted by any of the responses nor did I ever purposefully insult anyone else. If someone posts a lie as fact, is there any other way to respond than to call it a lie? That isn't insulting anyone. Calling it an untruth might be more PC but it means the same thing. I don't use the word untruth in my daily life and see no reason to keep a separate vocabulary for the internet. I really haven't seen insulting on the other forums but I don't read them all.

davel745 · #49 03/26/14, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

See, here's a good example, calling Nevada a pot stirrer.

I have NEVER seen Nevada insult or demean anyone and he gets piled on and insulted probably more than any other member of HT, yet he always remains polite.

Having a differing opinion of the majority is not pot stirring, he voices his opinions, is lambasted quite rudely for them and takes it with dignity.

I am only picking on Nevada he has done wondrous things in the past with his friend and he has given me very good advise, but his liberal views are hard for some of us to accept, but I would defend to the death his rite say what he wants.

raybait1 · #50 03/26/14, 03:26 PM

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If someone posts a lie as fact

This happens sometimes to be sure. It also happens that people can mistake their own opinion for truth. Perspective can be a funny thing. How many things discussed here can be put into cold hard true or false?

DAVID In Wisconsin · #51 03/26/14, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by davel745

just dealing with me is a full time job
and FBB, and David from Wisconsin, and tricky grandma, and Gapeach put us over the top oh and the 7th fleet person and a bunch of others. LOL I think the mods are doing as well as can be expected.
and then there is Mt Nevada he is the master pot stirrer. I loves ya all

Hey I am innocent! Me and tricky were in church praying for Nevada when whatever happened happened. And gapeach and 7th and a few others were in a bar around the corner having drinks. We are each others alibis! It's probably Bush's fault...

sand flea · #52 03/26/14, 05:13 PM

Haha

I just posted something similar on another forum, as the OP. I've noticed that there is an uptick in posts/posters in general, that seem intent on simply arguing - and coming up a winner/loser - in discussions instead of simply "talking" - and taking in all the posts as people's opinions and perspectives.

Some posters seem to think the rules of debate apply to talking online; others that those of us who "just talk" must be able to provide them links to some kind of validating "proof" for everything we say... as if we're journalists or teachers or librarians to help them learn more about a topic. Or they feel justified to criticize every single opinion that doesn't fit their world-view and beliefs.

It is all presented with a demanding, negative, and accusing tone... and it's so discouraging when we should be trying to help each other out and share what we know/believe. Since when did civil discourse include this kind of impudent, demanding, inquisition??

Did I not get the memo?

It's not just here; the mods do pretty good here and on the other sites I frequent. There was the guy I saw (elsewhere) who got banned the same day he joined. But I'm more & more avoiding those sites that are unmoderated for just this reason. We are going to NEED each other going forward, so a word to the wise: stop alienating people who might be able to help you later on.

arcticow · #53 03/26/14, 05:36 PM

BIG like to the above...

Oggie · #54 03/26/14, 05:59 PM

When I was fairly young, I discovered that, if I was planning to toot in the bathtub to make noises to entertain myself, it was best not to eat onions earlier in the day.

I try to continue to live by that as a general rule.

Ardie/WI · #55 03/26/14, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oggie

When I was fairly young, I discovered that, if I was planning to toot in the bathtub to make noises to entertain myself, it was best not to eat onions earlier in the day.

I try to continue to live by that as a general rule.

Is that something like I determined rather quickly not to toot and drive my electric scooter backward??

**Tiempo** · #56 03/26/14, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

Some people are just too thin skinned to be posting on topics they know will stir up disagreement. I've had some heated disagreements on here, mainly in politics, over the years but I never felt insulted by any of the responses nor did I ever purposefully insult anyone else. If someone posts a lie as fact, is there any other way to respond than to call it a lie? That isn't insulting anyone. Calling it an untruth might be more PC but it means the same thing. I don't use the word untruth in my daily life and see no reason to keep a separate vocabulary for the internet. I really haven't seen insulting on the other forums but I don't read them all.

Sometimes (often) people post something that is indeed a lie, but it's something that they've read on the internet that they believe to be true.

I think pointing out that it's a lie is fine but calling the person that posted it a liar is not.

poppy · #57 03/26/14, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

Sometimes (often) people post something that is indeed a lie, but it's something that they've read on the internet that they believe to be true.

I think pointing out that it's a lie is fine but calling the person that posted it a liar is not.

I'm well aware people make mistakes and I have posted some things i got online only to find out were not true. I'm not talking about that. Some people are intent on posting lies that have been refuted over and over.

Harry Chickpea · #58 03/26/14, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oggie

When I was fairly young, I discovered that, if I was planning to toot in the bathtub to make noises to entertain myself, it was best not to eat onions earlier in the day.

I try to continue to live by that as a general rule.

You see the glass half empty, I see it half full. I brought a mason jar to the tub (TRUE story) inverted it and captured those little fragrant fellows and brought them to school. I'd probably be considered a terrorist these days.

Awnry Abe · #59 03/26/14, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AngieM2

I'm going to let you all in on a secret.

Some people get infractions and banned when they don't think mods are doing something fast enough or to their liking. They may not see the PM's in the background asking someone to edit a post, rather than get infracted; or someone with a style that 10% of the time causes infractions but 90% of the time is a smart and excellent member.

What are these infractions I keep hearing about? Do I have any? If not, is there an envelope I need to push? Do I have some wiggle room in my ledger? Can I kick it up a notch? Gaaaahhhh. Now I don't think my on-line persona is keeping up with my real-life one.

Regarding the 'ignore' button...if you ignore anyone here, you are really missing out on some good stuff...loser.

**Shrek** · #60 03/26/14, 11:39 PM

As a child I remember being taught "sticks and stones may break your bones but words can never hurt you", yet when this beast called internet became the social activity of choice for so many , I notice folks complaining of the pain caused by words typed as text of opinion in a medium that most folks generally find has very little actual impact on their real world day to day activities when they step away from it provided they don't bare all before the beast called internet.

As far as how we let the arm of moderation to reach , we strive to balance between the acceptable social levels of discord in discussion , avoidance of over stifling posters. preventing copyright violations and preserving the site appeal for current participants and new arrivals alike in much the way lifeguards and staff oversee a swimming pool or amusement park.

As moderators we are the moderate buffer between the opposing views however we cannot simply eliminate one view or the other. We can only try to maintain the balance of discussions within the site civility boundaries.