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Old 02/03/14, 08:02 PM
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I posted a video below on the statistics. I have no idea how the guy came up with that. Please check it out for yourself. It is on the second half of the video.
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Old 02/03/14, 10:08 PM
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By Wyoming State law, if the child is born in wedlock it's yours. You will pay child support even if DNA or any other testing may prove you're not the biological father.
Better be really sure you know what you're doing before you put a ring on it!
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Old 02/03/14, 11:12 PM
 
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Nope, not the case. If you are married to a woman and she has a child, you are the legal father of that child and responsible for it in some, if not most, states.

I have a nephew right now who is dragging his feet on getting a divorce even though they have been separated for years and it's over. If she has another baby by her boyfriend, she could hit him for child support. HE would have to pay a lot of legal fees to fight it/change it. The law ASSUMES that the child is the husband's when a woman is married and the burden is on the husband to prove otherwise and make the court take action.
That was how it was in ALaska till I FOUND OUT and was able to work to change the laws. It took two years but the law is changed FYI even with DNA the state ....due to the laws on the books till they were changed maintained that the man married to my son's birth mother was the father........not the DNA proven father.

DNA alone does not change the legal facts till the laws on the books allow it
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Old 02/04/14, 01:45 AM
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I posted a video below on the statistics. I have no idea how the guy came up with that. Please check it out for yourself. It is on the second half of the video.
Oh I wasn't doubting you. That guy in the video may have come up with the 30% statistic but I still don't believe it.
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Old 02/04/14, 08:27 AM
 
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I believe the number of cheating wives is ROUGHLY equal to the number of cheating husbands. Maybe not so even 10 years ago, but now? Yes. And changing laws in AK is easier by far than changing 'em anywhere else.
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Old 02/04/14, 08:35 AM
 
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Absolutely. A person has the choice to have sex or not. If they have sex there may be a consequence. What they and their sexual partner (not necessarily a legal partner) then decide to do about the pregnancy will be what they discussed - you know birth, abortion, adoption. You did discuss this right?

Or was this some animalistic rutting with someone they don't really know at all? If so this is really, really unfortunate for them and the other person.
If there was some animalistic rutting going on it was probably with me. No worries though I'm clean and the check is in the mail!l
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Old 02/04/14, 08:39 AM
 
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Yes, but 18 years worth of checks for someone else's rutting gets REAL old...
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Old 02/04/14, 10:45 AM
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Many men (before laws were enforced) walked away from their legitimate children for their own reasons. Shunned and denied their children and of course did not support them.


But today there is a conclusive way to determine paternity so it is up to men to challenge the situation - legally - and get the laws changed.
More than likely a few men. It happened, especially in this country where a man had more room to take off.
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Old 02/04/14, 01:59 PM
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Wow.
Tabitha, In WI, you can't get a divorce if you are pregnant. It is always assumed the child is the husband's child. So after two years of waiting for him to allow me to go, my attorney finally (and not before) informed me that if I was pregnant on that day, the divorce would not go through. I wish she had told me prior to that court date. However, I wasn't pregnant, I only had three kids with my husband and none after that.

Essentially, this is for protecting the child, I get that.
The problem is that soon to be ex's continue to bully and harass soon to be ex wives, she has no rights, everything is civil, not criminal, even if he is stalking her, scaring her, threatening her, financially devastating her, and damaging the children physically and emotionally, because he is her husband and the laws allow that. Now with DNA evidence, the law should change. It is not just the children that are damaged by not having a father-sponsor.

More pathetic than having father-sponsors, mother-sponsors are of no consequence because mother-sponsors are paid 67 cent to every $1 father-sponsors are paid. Until sexism is gone in the work place, it won't be gone in the family or court system either.

But Haypoint, that is just terrible. Sometimes I wondered why you were so angry, and I get it now. Hopefully someday your daughter will realize what you did for her and not just make decisions about her life based on what your ex says. My heart goes out to you on that. Think of yourself as an adoption father, remember all the good you did, cherish all those memories, someday I hope she sees them for what they are.
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Old 02/04/14, 02:49 PM
 
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There are stalkers, abusers, and money obsessed on BOTH sides of things. Women abuse, stalk, and do all the things men do to ex's except rape. Even kill. But the OP and the thread are about the abuse of child support by those who ought to know that the husband is NOT the father of the child(ren) in question. I support changes to physically protect women, hold TRUE dads accountable, AND protect those caught in someone else's lies and deception.
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Old 02/04/14, 03:19 PM
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There are stalkers, abusers, and money obsessed on BOTH sides of things. Women abuse, stalk, and do all the things men do to ex's except rape. Even kill. But the OP and the thread are about the abuse of child support by those who ought to know that the husband is NOT the father of the child(ren) in question. I support changes to physically protect women, hold TRUE dads accountable, AND protect those caught in someone else's lies and deception.
While I agree with 90% of what you say, as I do, men can be raped by women. In the movie/book, Disclosure, which imitates life, a woman boss rapes her subordinate, he said no, she said yes, take it or leave it, and as much as I believe women and children need the same rights as men, men can be raped. It is just that you should know it can happen.
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Old 02/04/14, 08:29 PM
 
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Think about how horrible it would be to be a ten year old child with divorcing parents. Daddy and Junior are inseparable. After Daddy "moves on" his new girlfriend tells him Junior looks nothing like him. She eggs him on and on. Since he doesn't really want to pay support he demands a DNA test.

DNA finds that Daddy isn't Junior's sperm donor so Daddy fights child support and refuses to see his child. Junior wonders why Daddy won't see him anymore and cries himself to sleep. Junior grows up confused and bitter.

Of course, women can do the same. Mommy has an affair and gets pregnant. Daddy doesn't find out about it until Mommy has another affair and wants to shack up with the new guy. Junior adores Daddy and Daddy loves Junior. Daddy knows he's Juniors father, genetics or not. He fights for visitation and pays child support. Mommy is spiteful and her primary object is to inflict pain upon Daddy. Junior's feelings are not considered. Mommy goes to court to prohibit Daddy from visitation. Instead of telling him the truth, Mommy tells Junior Daddy doesn't love him anymore and abandoned him. Junior grows up sad, lonely, and confused.

A child born during a marriage should be the child of the husband and wife. I cannot help but think that's best in most instances.
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Here's a nice little story of someone I know. He was in a relationship. She cheated, got pregnant, and lied saying it was not his child. A year later she comes to him and says she thinks she was wrong about the paternity, court forces HIM to pay for the DNA test, and once it shows the kid is his he is ordered to pay back child support for that year that he missed. He missed out a whole year of his child's life because she lied and cheated, and he was the one to pay for it. What sense does that make?
It would have been better for him and for the child had he asked for DNA. Children can be given up for adoption if a biological father does not show up within a certain amount of time.
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Old 02/04/14, 10:01 PM
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Heard a story about a gal that worked where I did. She was pregnant, but didn't know who the father was. I couldn't understand that. So, it was explained simply: " If you backed into a buzz saw, how would you know which tooth cut you?"
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