Something wrong with the world today...
 

When 15-16 y/o girls hold down another teen to be gang-raped.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ang-raped.html

From the article:

Horrific cell phone footage shows teen girls 'beating their 16-year-old friend before holding her down to be raped'
Patricia Montes, 15, and Erica Avery, 16, accused of punching, kicking and pepper-spraying the girl before allegedly holding her down to be raped

This made my blood boil: "During parts of the three-hour bail hearing, Avery grinned and rolled her eyes and had to be admonished by her lawyer to remain composed." No remorse.

What's wrong with the world today? Only thing I can think is Matthew 24:12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

I've known that for quite some time. Most kids have no empathy for anyone.

The world is insane by any normal standard and gets progressively worse daily. Everything is upside down. The good are berated and the evil are praised. Nothing is black and white and the shades of gray have dimmed most people's vision. You are right. It was foretold and most don't even see it happening.

Poppy-- I wish I could like your post a million more times!

No apathy comes from upbringing...there is very little parenting any more.
Spend time with your kids and parent them...preaching to the choir here, but that's what I see all too often..."go play video games, I'm busy"...
Truly sad.

Matt

2 generations have been indoctrinated "There are no Absolutes,do what you feel".
3 generations have been raised in institutional settings from birth to 25.
Everything in their life is 'scheduled'.
There is no more individual thought, only 'group mindedness'.
4 generations have been raised in front of the 'idiot box'.
3 generations were desensitized by Hollywood and the idiot box.
2 generations have been raised in front of a computer screen.

Sowing, reaping.

Parents checked out generations ago.
Women proved they don't need men.
Men proved they need more than one women.
Kids are proving today, that both men and women, were wrong.

I fear for the next generation......DEgeneration........

I think you meant empathy, not apathy, but blaming the parents as a blanket statement is unfair. People make choices and some people choose to be that way despite good parenting. In the same way some people choose to be evil. Some people are mentally ill and can't help it. There are many variables. It's not always all about the parents.

For what it's worth- accountability and standards are at an all time low! Government at all levels, schools, media, Hollywood, parents, athletes and the list goes on and on. The things that are glorified in movies and video games have a lot bearing on how young people act in real life.

No comma apathy comes from upbringing.

This is where a comma can save a sentence. [Let's eat Grandma. OR Let's eat, Grandma.]

No, apathy comes from upbringing....

When the parents don't care, when the children don't care, it's apathy.
Lack of empathy can lead to apathy. I do think they are very related.

I cannot blame only parents or put all the blame on them. Society just beats the feelings out of you. You are left as a lifeless feelingless empty vessel.

A friend of mine was attacked at work. My friend didn't fight back. He was still written up because he went to the hospital and to the police. HR has him on their hate list. So while you might think, 'don't fight', you get punished anyways. It just takes the stuffin' out of you.

I'd be afraid of women/girls that could do something so heartless and violent. They should be put away for a very long time.

Feather, I have NEVER understood the "don't fight back" policy.
Schools preach this, yet the kid gettin' his butt whooped by the bully STILL gets suspended/expelled.

I taught my kids, if someone starts the fight, finish it.
You're gonna get in trouble either way, so you may as well send the message you are NOT one to be messed with.

We only empower the bullies, future criminals, and thugs when we turtle.

I'm pretty sure he'd fight back in the future. He ended up with a shoulder injury that is permanent and the aggressor paid $600 fine with the police. Not much justice in that.

Don't fight back is bogus. The school is just looking for an easy way out of sorting out who started it. I hate to say it but the kids around here that play hockey, both boys and girls, are the worst violaters for fighting back. More power to em. My son had gotten into a few scraps over the years and it always results in a knock down, drag out event. He knows he's going to get detention and extra work for fighting so he makes it worth it.

Take a look back in history... I mean as in hundreds of years... Things are better now.. We still have sociopaths, but people are just less tolerant of them... Times ago, another person's "rights" and life had less meaning... People were a lot more ruthless...

Not saying this is right, but you will always have people like this. I don't think things are so much any worse, as much as now there's more reporting of these things because there is so many more places to get your news and it travels a lot faster.

simi-steading is right. There has always been an ugly side to human nature, we just didn't have modern communications to put it in our face as soon as it happened in previous times. And as we have become more prosperous, as in, our very survival is rarely in danger these days, we have become a lot more gentle as individuals for the most part. That's what makes these rogue events all the more shocking, most people can't imagine being so cruel and uncaring.

Here is one that made the news from my area, very troublesome:
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/05...mithville.html

Friend of a friend knows the family of the victim. By all accounts a kind, nice man, totally undeserving. Why would those young people, friends of his own son, turn on him like that???

A hundred or more years ago there was quite a bit of vigilante justice meted out, with no official recriminations. If someone committed rape, he was lucky if the law got to him first, and he knew it. Probably stopped a lot of crime.

I remember in the 50's my sister and her friend were lured into a guy's garage, where he showed them "naughty" pictures. He was gone within a week. I don't know what condition he was in when he moved, but probably not pretty.

This is what happens when you abandon Biblical principles.

If you go back and read the newspapers from decades ago you will be sorely disappointed. Not much has changed as far as human behaviour goes. It all repeats.

One main difference is that the media reports on everything now whereas in the past they were very selective. No one wrote about JFK's women although everyone knew what he was doing but every detail of the Clinton affair was front page news.

I really doubt that there is anything MORE wrong with the world today then has been wrong in the past. It just isn't kept hidden. Every vice that is practiced today and every crime has been done before and will be done again.

My boy plays hockey (college) and when he was younger, if someone punched him in the face, and he turtled, HE STILL had to sit in the box.
Same amount of time. Same infraction.
Insane.
SO I sat in on a board meeting, and asked for an explanation.
It was not satisfactory.
So I told him then......you're gonna go to the box anyway.
Get your licks.

Seems like I read that Plato had similar concerns about those pesky kids in his day.

You are sorely mistaken. Just look at the difference in kids then and now. Yes, kids used to get into mischief and were even mean sometimes but not like now where they are violent. Never heard of home invasions when I was young but now they are common and sometimes people are killed. Ever hear of knock out games years ago? Sure, guys got into fights but they didn't attack total strangers. How much looting did you hear of back in the day? Kids used to play outside all day long without parents worrying about them being kidnapped or murdered but not anymore, even in small towns. Did you hear of drive by shootings when you were young? If you did, it was a mob killing. Not anymore. How many newborn babies were found in garbage cans when you were young? Things have changed greatly and it can't be denied.

My heart breaks for that poor child, her life is forever changed by this barbaric act.

Hi Folks,

Let's consider that it really is no worse now than ever it has been, as has been suggested. OK, fair enough; get "X" number of people, you are bound to have a certain number of bullies, psychotics, whatever. Consider then two facts: first, obviously we have more people on the Planet every day, thus the number if not the percentage of anti-social idiots rises. Secondly, we are subjected to bad news on a 24/7 basis.

When villagers had to deal with their allotted percentage of psycho's, and the actual number was three or four, they were easily handled with proper dispatch, and everyone moved on. Their world was finite, as were its issues. Now we worry about global trends and innumerable instances of truly horrific events.

And in case we miss something, it will be repeated in delicious detail at 11:00, right before we go to sleep! Is it any wonder we are a bit depressed at the condition of the world?

(BTW--consider this a small commercial break--Kennedy fooled around, yes, but he never out-and-out lied under oath to the American People. Clinton did, and smirked when he did it.)

I think that we have reached critical mass and it is as simple as that. If you stuff a certain number of rats in a cage, they go insane and begin tearing one another apart. Why should we be surprised at the same thing happening to people?

I suppose it could be worse----it could be raining. Oh. Wait. It *is* raining............never mind. :rolleyes:

Barb

I think that children learn lessons when they see cats living antisocial and self-centered lives while being catered to and pampered.

This^^^^

It all started with parenting or a lack thereof. And, if it's ever going to turn around, I don't see it happening any other way.

20 years ago in front of the Save-a-Lot most of the cars had the windows open and half had the keys sticking. Nobody bothered a thing. Nobody locked their house. I had to go to some farm and nobody was home, but the pickup was there with the window open, it started to rain, so i closed it. (crank)
Those kids are very badly raised, including the victim. What business does she have being in that house with those people? When I was a kid all children were raised to be helpful and polite. You opened the door, you offered your seat, you carried the bag for the old lady. I went to a country school of three rooms, there were 40 kids in one room. It was peaceful and nice. I have worked several years as a substitute. That was hard earned money. Sorry, things were not the same. Evil people just had to hold it in more, opportunities were not as rife.

This is so very true. Where was that girls dad? Where were the other girls' dads? 15 year olds don't need to be out at parties.

The real tragedy is that this wouldn't have been reported (or there would have been no evidence) if someone didn't get this recorded on a cellphone.

The real, REAL tradegy (beside the event itself), is that it most likely was not recorded to assist in apprehending the scum, but for it's "entertainment value" a trophy sort of thing.

Sad, sad state of affairs we're in. You will never convince me that the human race is not degrading.