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Old 12/05/13, 08:24 PM
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Actually, twits was one of the kinder descriptives that came to mind. The board prohibits more descriptive language.

You can cry a river for them, but they, with union backing, are the ones demanding $15 an hour compensation for the job. They are the ones that believe they are worth that wage.

Ya'll can admire the emperor's fine clothes, I'm going to call it being nekkid.
Aha, there's the root of it - your union hatred is spilling over to the fast food workers.

Anybody who goes to work instead of sitting on their butt and collecting a government check, I'm going to call them miss, maam or sir but not twit. I'm not for their cause, but I'm still willing to give them basic human dignity versus name calling.
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No that's not how it works. It solely raises the minimum amount employers must pay for labor. The worker who has received raises and is now making $12/hour usually continues to make that same amount. The exception to this is labor unions. Most time they carry adjustments to their wage based on the federal minimum in contract language. If everyone was paid a higher wage there would be no net effect, other than inflation.

This is why raising the minimum wage compresses the lower end of the pay scale together. It also does not have any long-lasting effects as the workers who were able to make more than minimum before will change jobs, or demand raises because they provide higher value than the worker who is making minimum wage. This then results in the same gap and, after inflation takes place, the minimum wage worker still cannot make the "living wage".
Tell the guy that makes $12.00/hour that he doesn't deserve a raise if the minimum wage is raised. Minimum wage is a starting point, for entry level jobs. When people are not getting raises after they work awhile, there is usually a reason for it. If you go to fast food places once in a while and watch the employees, you see plenty that if they have been there a week are making more than they are worth. The ones that stand out and do well are making well over minimum wage soon, or find a better job.
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No need to call anyone a twit that is working and not sitting on their butt!

In many economically depressed areas fast food is the only job available....and not everyone has the ability to go to college. Back in the day there were good jobs out there when I graduated high school. No more. Have to have a college education to get a good job these days.... I can't blame these fast food workers for wanting to make a living wage. We have become a service industry economy in America. So accommodate them with higher wages. Then we won't be paying for their food stamps, etc. cause they won't need them. And they in turn will have more money to put back into the economy which benefits everyone....
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No need to call anyone a twit that is working and not sitting on their butt!

In many economically depressed areas fast food is the only job available....and not everyone has the ability to go to college. Back in the day there were good jobs out there when I graduated high school. No more. Have to have a college education to get a good job these days.... I can't blame these fast food workers for wanting to make a living wage. We have become a service industry economy in America. So accommodate them with higher wages. Then we won't be paying for their food stamps, etc. cause they won't need them. And they in turn will have more money to put back into the economy which benefits everyone....
The fast food places only make 4%. this will put them out of business. Then these people will need more welfare, not less.
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Old 12/06/13, 05:19 AM
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So if fast food workers are worth 15.00 does that mean FIREFIGHTERS are worth 30.00. DH retired from the Fire Dept in 2011 with 34 yrs of service---making $15.01 an hour.
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Old 12/06/13, 06:29 AM
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Aha, there's the root of it - your union hatred is spilling over to the fast food workers.

Anybody who goes to work instead of sitting on their butt and collecting a government check, I'm going to call them miss, maam or sir but not twit. I'm not for their cause, but I'm still willing to give them basic human dignity versus name calling.
Again with the use of the term 'hate'. Why do you hate people who don't agree with you so much?

Let's take a look at the term 'twit' and it's definition, shall we?

Twit has two meanings entered in Merriam Webster online: The act or twitting, as in 'to taunt' and the second one which is what we are dealing with here; A silly annoying person or a fool. (a fool being someone who lacks good sense and judgement)

These people are indeed fools. They are fools taken in by an organization that cares not single wit about them as long as they get more union dues in their coffers, even just for a little while. They are fools for not understanding the long term effects of what they are asking for. They are fools for choosing (in many cases simply by choosing not to try and better themselves) fast food as their long term career plan.

Twit is a good descriptive for this case.
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Old 12/06/13, 08:27 AM
 
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You can cry a river for them, but they, with union backing, are the ones demanding $15 an hour compensation for the job. They are the ones that believe they are worth that wage.
A small disagreement. The sad state of affairs is that the union types are no longer arguing they are worth their wage demands. Instead, they some how feel entitled to a certain wage based upon their needs.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Where have I heard that before?
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That's exactly what it means, every time minimum wage has gone up, prices go up.
Businesses are in business to make money - sad how many people don't realize that.
People work to make money too. Few people work in fast food for the sheer joy of slinging fries
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Old 12/06/13, 08:49 AM
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They do it to try and earn a living--- which they can't do unless the business can make money.
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Gosh. I don't think they can get $15 an hour but you have to start high to get anything.

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board and the statement that people should go out and work, well.... to then attack working people because they are trying to get more money and have a better life for themselves seems somewhat contradictory?
The way to make more money and have a better life is through education and skilled labor jobs........not demanding that UNskilled jobs pay better.

But back to the original topic, I have to wonder how many of those fast-food workers are willing to lose their jobs so that somebody will make a better wage-----because it will surely result in less jobs.
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Old 12/07/13, 10:02 AM
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no need to call anyone a twit that is working and not sitting on their butt!

In many economically depressed areas fast food is the only job available....and not everyone has the ability to go to college. Back in the day there were good jobs out there when i graduated high school. No more. Have to have a college education to get a good job these days.... I can't blame these fast food workers for wanting to make a living wage. We have become a service industry economy in america. So accommodate them with higher wages. Then we won't be paying for their food stamps, etc. Cause they won't need them. And they in turn will have more money to put back into the economy which benefits everyone....

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Old 12/07/13, 02:22 PM
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If a job doesn't pay enough to live on, either 1.get a better job, or 2. get a second job. If you can't get a better job or a second job, start a business.

I worked 3 jobs, slept 4 hours a day (once a week I got to sleep SIX hours!), attended college, and raised a child at the same time, all because I wanted tomorrow to be BETTER and was willing to work for it, didn't expect anyone to GIVE it to me.

But hey...maybe McDonald's COULD raise their minimum wage to $15 an hour...for the 5% (or whatever number) of employees per store who are 100% doing their job!!!

Certainly a boon for customers AND the good employees!

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.................Some FF chains are experimenting with Robots ! I can't wait to walk into McD's and order a quarter pounder and shake from a Robot with plastic boobs and a blonde wig . , fordy
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Old 12/07/13, 08:54 PM
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Old 12/07/13, 11:07 PM
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My husband has been driving a truck for the same company the past 8 years & doesn't make $15 an hour. Kids working at fast food places do not need to make $15 an hour. If you are trying to support a family, then you need to get into something other than a fast food job.
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Have you never worked in a fast food place? They work you to the bone, refuse to give you days off, don't believe you are sick, postpone and/or shorten breaks, make you work in boiling hot kitchens, etc.
$15 an hour is too much, but at the same time, these places demand people work crazy hard for very little. Even go as far as telling you to work off the clock, no one believes you, no one will back you up either. No one wants to lose their crappy job.
I'm glad there's finally a group of mcdonald workers willing to lose their jobs and fight back. I rather eat dirt than work at another fast food place...
I think job conditions are a separate issue from the wages. Many of us have worked far worse jobs than that for way less than $15/hr. I delivered construction equipment for 18 years, many years early on were for less than $15/hr. When I finished delivering equipment five years ago I was making $22/hr and it took 23 years of my working life to get there. Was my highly responsible and stressful job worth only $7/hr more then a fast food job? I've loaded and chained down equipment in the extremes of every weather, snow, rain, wind, hot sun, late at night and early in the morning, taken tractor trailer loads of equipment right downtown Toronto, 12-14 hour days were common, hard to get time off and worked through most lunches and breaks. There were many times when the company sent the office staff home early because of the snow storm and then continued to send the drivers out with deliveries. I"m not complaining about the job, I love driving truck and the good days far outweighed the bad days. However, I find it amusing that some would complain about a fairly easy indoor job when there are people on this site who have worked harder, more stressful jobs for comparative or less wages.
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I think people who complain about how horribly tough a fast food job is have never worked the line in a _real_ kitchen during a rush... In the south, when the air conditioner is busted. :-P

A good paying job is not going to be one that anyone can do, like dunking frozen potatoes into a deep fryer and microwaving pre-cooked patties. The best rate of pay I had was hauling bodies. From the scene to the county coroner and from there to funeral homes. Not anyone can do that job. Not everyone who could do that job is willing to. And yet it is necessary and steady work. And one doesn't need to be a rocket scientist or even have a high school diploma to do it-- just a little intestinal fortitude and a driver's license.
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