Fast Food Twits

DEKE01 · #41 12/02/13, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cratercove

i you can't find a better job make a better job. We did.

p o t d

mnn2501 · #42 12/02/13, 01:48 PM

You only have to be willing to do what it takes to find a better job - that's one problem, too may people feeling sorry for themselves instead of doing what it takes to improve oneself.
This is still the land of opportunity, anyone with any gumption can do what it takes to make money - problem is in many cases they're too comfortable where they are to get off their butts and change it, and yes the government helps to make them that way.

Cornhusker · #43 12/02/13, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MO_cows

They feel trapped. The point is, they are working for their living and not just sitting home sucking from the taxpayers. Respect that and enlighten them how to improve their lot. Don't just call them names.

True, there's no need for name calling.
They have to want to improve their lot in life, nobody can do that for them

CraterCove · #44 12/02/13, 03:32 PM

Respect is earned and it's not my responsibility to do anything for anyone over the age of nine who is not my own child. They either need to find their own bootstraps and learn to pull themselves up by them or be content with their position.

(btw please don't try and say I am cold or cruel because I am stating a fact. I believe in charity but I believe in looking the person in the eye that I choose to help)

Molly Mckee · #45 12/05/13, 10:59 AM

If you raise the minimum wage, doesn't everyone get a raise? If wages start at a base or minimum, then someone who is being paid more than minimum should get a raise as well. The economy can't take that hit now, IMO.

If you make minimum wage too high, all you do is eliminate jobs. Then you have more people on welfare and voting themselves raises.

Nate_in_IN · #46 12/05/13, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Molly Mckee

If you raise the minimum wage, doesn't everyone get a raise? If wages start at a base or minimum, then someone who is being paid more than minimum should get a raise as well.

No that's not how it works. It solely raises the minimum amount employers must pay for labor. The worker who has received raises and is now making $12/hour usually continues to make that same amount. The exception to this is labor unions. Most time they carry adjustments to their wage based on the federal minimum in contract language. If everyone was paid a higher wage there would be no net effect, other than inflation.

This is why raising the minimum wage compresses the lower end of the pay scale together. It also does not have any long-lasting effects as the workers who were able to make more than minimum before will change jobs, or demand raises because they provide higher value than the worker who is making minimum wage. This then results in the same gap and, after inflation takes place, the minimum wage worker still cannot make the "living wage".

paradox · #47 12/05/13, 01:09 PM

Here is how you get higher wages. You get a job at the bottom. You show up on time or early, every day - reliably. You do your job to the best of your ability and you do it with a good attitude. That's it. Terribly difficult isn't it? I promise you with the sad quality of people out in the workforce today, if you just follow that simple formula you will get raises and promotions at a fairly steady pace. When you have topped out in the fast food joint then you will have earned glowing references from a boss who will be sad to lose you, but will want to see you moving up in the world. It's a formula for success that has been around since the dawn of "work". Simple cause and effect. Yet there are always those in our society who don't want to do that. They just want to zip right ahead to the "effect" without ever performing the "cause".

Nate_in_IN · #48 12/05/13, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by paradox

Here is how you get higher wages. You get a job at the bottom. You show up on time or early, every day - reliably. You do your job to the best of your ability and you do it with a good attitude. That's it. Terribly difficult isn't it? I promise you with the sad quality of people out in the workforce today, if you just follow that simple formula you will get raises and promotions at a fairly steady pace. When you have topped out in the fast food joint then you will have earned glowing references from a boss who will be sad to lose you, but will want to see you moving up in the world. It's a formula for success that has been around since the dawn of "work". Simple cause and effect. Yet there are always those in our society who don't want to do that. They just want to zip right ahead to the "effect" without ever performing the "cause".

^this.

With the addition of staying away from illegal drugs. There are so many people who are turned away from good employment at companies because they cannot pass a drug test.

simi-steading · #49 12/05/13, 01:13 PM

I try to see both sides of this..

On the one hand, you have McDonalds paying it's CEO $13.8 million dollars with all his perks and stock options figured in..

They also took in $1.5 billion in profit this past third quarter...

So here you have a company making it's CEO and stock holders nice and happy... off the backs of people who aren't able to find better jobs, or aren't able to do better work because of mental or physical reasons..

Granted, the franchise owners can't afford to pay the employees more, but as a corporation, McDonalds can afford to..

It's interesting it's been figured that our tax paying dollars subsadise the McDonalds workers 1.2 billion a year... almost what their profits are..

To me, that's almost like giving McDonalds free wage subsidy's...

simi-steading · #50 12/05/13, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by paradox

Here is how you get higher wages. You get a job at the bottom. You show up on time or early, every day - reliably. You do your job to the best of your ability and you do it with a good attitude. That's it. Terribly difficult isn't it? I promise you with the sad quality of people out in the workforce today, if you just follow that simple formula you will get raises and promotions at a fairly steady pace. When you have topped out in the fast food joint then you will have earned glowing references from a boss who will be sad to lose you, but will want to see you moving up in the world. It's a formula for success that has been around since the dawn of "work". Simple cause and effect. Yet there are always those in our society who don't want to do that. They just want to zip right ahead to the "effect" without ever performing the "cause".

I work in the corporate world.. I make a real nice paycheck... I am a lot smarter than the job I do, but in my department and for the company I am at, it's a dead end job... Everyone who works here as been here for years and years.. no turn over, so no jobs above me to open up... same with the people above me.. no where for them to go since they are either the boss, or until they need a new CEO or something similar..

I've worked at many a place with a good attitude, and a great employee, it's not always easy to get a promotion, and it's not always easy to break out of one kind of work into another..

For all these people here saying they could all quit and get a better job, why don't ya all quit your jobs and go find something that pays more too?

Why aren't we all CEO's and COO's and such if getting a job that pays more is so easy?

**Terri** · #51 12/05/13, 01:17 PM

Some areas of the country have a very high cost of living. I believe McDonald's in San Jose California is $15 an hour??? Because otherwise the employees could not make ends meet. If that happened there would be no employees (they would leave) and no McDonald's either.

So, people in another expensive area are asking for the same thing? Oh, OK. They are all adults: if it really is necessary then they will get what they ask for because otherwise the businesses will be out of business. If it is not necessary then the businesses will yell and refuse, and they will probably get their way.

A living wage in my area is the minimum wage, but then you can get an apartment for $500 a month. So, if you get a room mate and take the bus, you can live on it.

paradox · #52 12/05/13, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Terri

A living wage in my area is the minimum wage, but then you can get an apartment for $500 a month. So, if you get a room mate and take the bus, you can live on it.

And here you have opened up another side to this conversation. What exactly is a "living wage"? Ask 50 people and you will get 50 different answers. To some like me it means a very basic and probably not very nice roof over your head. A really old car if you have one at all. No smart phones, internet service, or cable packages. Shopping at good will and eating very basic and cheaper foods like lots of rice, beans, and stew.

But the biggest part of our problem is that these "basic necessities" are not enough for most folks. Everyone wants a newer car and the newest smart phone. They want fast internet, sports and movie packages and large flat screens. They want to eat out at restaurants, smoke, and go to bars on the weekends. And they think if they cannot do these things they cannot afford to "live". We Americans have a very distorted view of what is necessary to live.

MO_cows · #53 12/05/13, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by paradox

Here is how you get higher wages. You get a job at the bottom. You show up on time or early, every day - reliably. You do your job to the best of your ability and you do it with a good attitude. That's it. Terribly difficult isn't it? I promise you with the sad quality of people out in the workforce today, if you just follow that simple formula you will get raises and promotions at a fairly steady pace. When you have topped out in the fast food joint then you will have earned glowing references from a boss who will be sad to lose you, but will want to see you moving up in the world. It's a formula for success that has been around since the dawn of "work". Simple cause and effect. Yet there are always those in our society who don't want to do that. They just want to zip right ahead to the "effect" without ever performing the "cause".

In a perfect world, it works that way. In the real world, not so much. No matter how good your attitude and performance you can get stuck under a boss-hole, the industry you are working in can falter, all kinds of bad things happen to good people. Yes, you should do your best, try your hardest - but that isn't an automatic ticket to success. I have seen people do everything right and still not go nearly as far as they deserve to. And I myself have walked away from Corporate America to work in small business for less money because my heart and soul is worth a lot more than the difference in wages.

paradox · #54 12/05/13, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by simi-steading

I've worked at many a place with a good attitude, and a great employee, it's not always easy to get a promotion, and it's not always easy to break out of one kind of work into another..

Several years ago I was working a job that was a dead end. I was happy with the money I was making but not so happy with the way the management was beginning to treat the employees. I quit. Took me 2 months to find a job that only paid half as much, but had a better environment and more chance for advancement. It took six years but I am back to my old salary and positioned much better for the future. Sometimes you have to step down a few rungs to start climbing again. Also there are millions of people who retrain and switch career fields. You can do it if you really set your mind to it.

**Terri** · #55 12/05/13, 01:44 PM

When I speak of a living wage I am ALSO speaking of a plain roof and plain food and goodwill for clothing. In San Jose that is what $15 an hour would get you.

tkrabec · #56 12/05/13, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mnn2501

That's exactly what it means, every time minimum wage has gone up, prices go up.
Businesses are in business to make money - sad how many people don't realize that.

One of the main problems that people fail to see, is that the middle class does not get raises in their wages, corresponding to an increase in minimum wage.

simi-steading · #57 12/05/13, 02:14 PM

Any more, middle class wages are down too.. .My wife has taken a couple pay cuts... she was making nice fat checks.. but lost a couple 10's of K's of dollars.. working the same job for the same company yet she, like everyone else there has taken on a lot more work since they also cut a lot of jobs. This is with one of the 10 largest law firms in the world...

She also sees the e-mail one of the partners she works for gets... This past year, they posted and shared the largest profits they ever have had. Yet they cut back staff, and they cut back pay for the people pushing all their paper... Just a little something there to think about...

I've gotten a raise every year, although mostly pretty small raises... yet my power bill, my water bill, my taxes, my health insurance, food bills, gas bills, etc have all gone up a LOT more than my raises have, thus meaning I'm making less than I was 4 years ago... My money doesn't go near as far as it used to..

The rich keep getting richer, and we know what's happening to the rest of us..

If my checks are causing me to cut back as much as I have in places, I couldn't even begin to imagine how bad it's hurting people making minimum wage or just over it...

Farmer Willy · #58 12/05/13, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Gosh. I don't think they can get $15 an hour but you have to start high to get anything.

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board and the statement that people should go out and work, well.... to then attack working people because they are trying to get more money and have a better life for themselves seems somewhat contradictory?

I'm not sure where you are seeing "hating the poor"---maybe I don't go into those rooms. I will stand by the idea that people should go out and work, in particular any that get taxpayer funded assistance. I believe Slick Willy called it workfare when he pushed for that type of reform. My suggestion for those wanting to "get more money and have a better life for themselves" would be to get yourself into a position to do that by learning the skills it takes to get into that better position. Bagging fries and screwing up orders is not the way.

The other oft heard whine (yea that's right, whine) is that "Waaaahh I can't raise a family on what I earn"----no kidding Sherlock, just made that connection did you? I think I learned that particular lesson at about 9th grade level. It's kind of the reason I stuck around to finish the rest of those grades. Come to think of it, it's the reason I still go to school at my age---to keep a competitive edge. I guess I was one of the lucky ones that figured out I didn't want to keep scrubbing a toilet for someone else for the rest of my life.

Farmer Willy · #59 12/05/13, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

The OP calls people with jobs who go to work names.

But calling people names just because they want higher wages, or gosh they're working at a fast food place? Petty. They're working a job for money.

No, I'm not calling people who have jobs and go to work names, I'm calling people that demand skilled labor pay for shoving a grease bugers into a sack and actually believe they are worth that skilled labor pay names. While I'm at it, I should probably include the unions that put them up to it.

Farmer Willy · #60 12/05/13, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MO_cows

I don't think the fast food workers are going to get $15 per hour, and in this economy especially I don't think they should. But calling them "twits" is very disrespectful. They have found themselves trapped in these jobs and desperately want/need a little more money to make their lives easier. They need compassion and a lesson in economics, not to be insulted and called names.

This is just another symptom of how badly the economy is doing. Instead of high school kids, housewives earning a little extra money, etc., many adults with families are filling these jobs because they couldn't find a better one.

Actually, twits was one of the kinder descriptives that came to mind. The board prohibits more descriptive language.

You can cry a river for them, but they, with union backing, are the ones demanding $15 an hour compensation for the job. They are the ones that believe they are worth that wage.

Ya'll can admire the emperor's fine clothes, I'm going to call it being nekkid.