Fast Food Twits

CraterCove · #21 12/02/13, 10:52 AM

I love it when people don't have one single clue about what conservative even means.

Hollowdweller · #22 12/02/13, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DEKE01

Gee, where is all the hate for the poor?

If fast food workers want higher pay, I support their right to work elsewhere, strike, start their own fast food joints. What I don't support is the tyranny of the majority to set a non market based price for labor just because they control enough votes or of politicians to use min wage laws to buy votes.

Your scenario is the ideal one.

However given the fact that corporations, essentially do have the tyranny of the majority esp since Citizens United and have rolled back labor laws to where it is very hard to organize or strike without retaliation, it's no wonder the workers are adopting the same tactics. About 30 years too late in my book.

Nate_in_IN · #23 12/02/13, 10:59 AM

I think of it this way:

Should there be a job which pays less than a "living wage"? -- yes.
If there should be such a job, what type of job would fit the description? -- Fast Food worker

Then the issue seems clear.

arabian knight · #24 12/02/13, 11:00 AM

Well its not going to work Period. Many other workers are at lower pay then that In fact I was below that 15 buck an hour rate you seem to think is ideal. And I led a pretty dern good lit BELOW said wage increase. Had horses, took Vacations, had the latest in electronics had a nice time making LESS then what some think minimum should be.. So Many folks that are lower then 15 an hour will RUSH into those fast food joints and BINGO those that wanted so high a wage are Out Of Work all thanks to THEIR GREED and nothing more.

CraterCove · #25 12/02/13, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Your scenario is the ideal one.

However given the fact that corporations, essentially do have the tyranny of the majority esp since Citizens United and have rolled back labor laws to where it is very hard to organize or strike without retaliation, it's no wonder the workers are adopting the same tactics. About 30 years too late in my book.

Do you know why I homestead? To decrease their power. I grow what I can and raise what I can and only purchase things at my convenience and benefit, not theirs. I'll bet if everyone who even just had a window box grew something that decreased their out of pocket expenses and gave them a kind of confidence to try and be masters of their own fates instead of cubicle dwellers and blindingly poor consuming machines that tyranny would be much diminished.

arabian knight · #26 12/02/13, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CraterCove

Do you know why I homestead? To decrease their power. I grow what I can and raise what I can and only purchase things at my convenience and benefit, not theirs. I'll bet if everyone who even just had a window box grew something that decreased their out of pocket expenses and gave them a kind of confidence to try and be masters of their own fates instead of cubicle dwellers and blindingly poor consuming machines that tyranny would be much diminished.

Sure they could, in my case I elected not to, My Choice.
That is what America is about Choices one makes, some don't want to change and make a difference in their life. I DID. When I saw I had a job that was going no further in the job I was at, I MOVED and got a Better Job. Nobody is forcing said people to Stay Put. Their Choice to do so, if they don't want to go and improve their situation, then so be it. But just to give them a raise for staying put and not improving or getting more knowledge in one form or another is ludicrous to just Hand them Over a huge wage increase.
And the UNIONS are all for this. As MANY have it in their contractor Minimum wage goes up So do THEIR wages to match that raise and in some cases Double the amount it will up. Nice for union workers get a HUGE wage increase and do nothing more at wrk to EARN that increase.

Hollowdweller · #27 12/02/13, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornhusker

Nobody is attacking the poor
Most of us have been there.
Most of us have been poor and worked our way out of it, and every time they raise the minimum wage to buy votes, they make the rest of us poorer.
One day you are making 4 times minimum, then they raise it and you are making 3 times minimum.
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I would never suggest that keeping my fellow workers poor so I make more by comparison is a good idea.

For instance where I work. When I became a full time employee 29 years ago I got a raise.

Now the kids who come the same thing. However in real terms those kids make $3500 a year less than I made because the salary has not kept up with inflation.

True, that makes my salary higher in comparison but I have my cars paid off, I have free gas, I have a well, I have my house paid off. They are less able to afford a car, or a home than I was because the pay has not kept up.

I would rather them have the same money that I made, even if it make mine look lower in comparison because I want them to live a good life.

Ohio Rusty · #28 12/02/13, 11:18 AM

I'm never against increased wages at a place of employment. Every 50 cents is basically $1000 a year raise. When people earn more money, they then in turn spend more money stimulating stores and food establishments, stimulating the local economy.

What will probably actually happen is they will get rid of people and make everything self serve .... no one at the window, no one to greet you ...... Your food will come out a window slide that is put together by a couple of low wage earners in the back after you yell your order thru a loud speaker. Yessirree !! That will fix those people that want more money !!! Just get rid of them and automate everything when it comes to fast food service ......
You think that sounds silly, but you pump your own gas, check your own oil, clean your own windows and hand your money thru a little slot in a window to the one worker at the station ..... At both Aldi's and Cash and Carry, you pick and bag your own food, and give your money to the one attendant .....

What is wrong with earning more money ??? I definitely don't live above my means by any stretch ..... And I only have to pay a little under $8000 out of pocket for decent family health insurance, but I'm glad to have insurance. I'm all for getting more money ...... That means I could increase my preps a little better instead of just a little bit here and a little bit there when there are extra pennies for such things ......

Ohio Rusty ><>

Black Friiday: When people fight over things they don't need, hours after being thankful for all the 'stuff' they already have.

CraterCove · #29 12/02/13, 11:36 AM

I'd love to have more money! Anyway, so my husband makes a goodly amount per year. Awesome, right? Yes, however, his pay hasn't gone up in a long time, in fact after a couple of years unemployment he makes less than he used to. Also, while his wages haven't increased we pay about 1k a month for health insurance which covers, every year, less and less and we pay more an more out of pocket for everything.

The food I have to buy (since really our homesteading is still in its infancy) has increased dramatically in price over the past four years. Gasoline costs more, every costs more but we don't get paid more. We are getting poorer by the year from a certain angle.

The homesteading, growing what we can, saving in every area we can has been our only means of combating the decreased value of our dollars and labor in the marketplace.

America is all about choice. But unfortunately non-participation seems, more and more to be the only choice worthwhile.

DEKE01 · #30 12/02/13, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

The min wage was raised to 7.25 in 2009. In that year inflation was negative .4 percent. Inflation in 2010 was 1.6% and in 2011 it was 3.2% and in 2012 it was 2.1%

In the preceding 3 years to the increase is twas 3.8% , 3.8% and 3.2%

So we can at least say that the 2009 increase did not result in an increase in inflation.

The conservative argument that you make people work by making them starve, and you make people get jobs with better pay by making them slave at low paying jobs does not seem to jive with the facts on the ground.

So to the arguments about the min wage I'm hearing here. I heard them before, the min wage was increased and I did not see any of the predicted catastrophe.

Why do you need to miss-characterize (and I'm trying to be polite) the conservative argument, or that catastrophe was predicted? Do you not think your arguments can stand on their own merit without hyperbole?

As to all your inflation data, you fail to look at the prices of fast food, which has increased. The plain fact of the matter is that min wage has been increased many times yet you say it is still too low. Since you think that $15 is a living wage, are you ready to set min wage there for a 100 year agreement not to raise it again? If you really believe there is no inflation since we started increasing min wage, then that shouldn't be a problem for you.

DEKE01 · #31 12/02/13, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Your scenario is the ideal one.

However given the fact that corporations, essentially do have the tyranny of the majority esp since Citizens United and have rolled back labor laws to where it is very hard to organize or strike without retaliation, it's no wonder the workers are adopting the same tactics. About 30 years too late in my book.

Citizens United protected Unions who spend lots of cash to elect dems. Despite all the whining to the contrary, workers can unionize, they just don't want to because so many unions have been shown to be more corrupt than the businesses. Workers voted with their feet and left unions. My wife left the union when she realized how much they did not care about kids she was teaching.

mnn2501 · #32 12/02/13, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board

No one here hates the poor - no one is preventing them from leaving fast food jobs to get a better (read non-entry level) job except themselves.

Jobs like this are ENTRY level jobs, something you work in High School or even college to make a few bucks - it was never meant to support a family and never will, unless you want $29.99 Big Macs?
How about a $19.99 Super Value menu?

Ambereyes · #33 12/02/13, 12:45 PM

Kinda feel like natural selection is going to come into play here, if the market will not support the ridiculous cost this would incur than the jobs will disappear.

Cornhusker · #34 12/02/13, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

I would never suggest that keeping my fellow workers poor so I make more by comparison is a good idea.

For instance where I work. When I became a full time employee 29 years ago I got a raise.

Now the kids who come the same thing. However in real terms those kids make $3500 a year less than I made because the salary has not kept up with inflation.

True, that makes my salary higher in comparison but I have my cars paid off, I have free gas, I have a well, I have my house paid off. They are less able to afford a car, or a home than I was because the pay has not kept up.

I would rather them have the same money that I made, even if it make mine look lower in comparison because I want them to live a good life.

So no incentive to work hard, lollipops and sugar cookies for all?
If everybody made the same, nobody would bother trying to get ahead.

Cornhusker · #35 12/02/13, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambereyes

Kinda feel like natural selection is going to come into play here, if the market will not support the ridiculous cost this would incur than the jobs will disappear.

Exactly, but that's a secret they don't tell you, or even the stupid wouldn't vote for them

MO_cows · #36 12/02/13, 01:03 PM

I don't think the fast food workers are going to get $15 per hour, and in this economy especially I don't think they should. But calling them "twits" is very disrespectful. They have found themselves trapped in these jobs and desperately want/need a little more money to make their lives easier. They need compassion and a lesson in economics, not to be insulted and called names.

This is just another symptom of how badly the economy is doing. Instead of high school kids, housewives earning a little extra money, etc., many adults with families are filling these jobs because they couldn't find a better one.

Cornhusker · #37 12/02/13, 01:21 PM

Around here, nurses aids don't make $15 an hour, and in my opinion they work a lot harder than fast food workers and if anybody deserves a living wage, it's them.

mnn2501 · #38 12/02/13, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MO_cows

They have found themselves trapped in these jobs and desperately want/need a little more money to make their lives easier. They need compassion and a lesson in economics, not to be insulted and called names.

No one is Trapped in a job (except by their own mental limitations) Everyone can get a better job, move up the ladder, or even get trained or educated in another field (student loans even allow people to get educated before having to pay for it).

I started in fast food 41 years ago when I was in high school. I'm not still there and I make considerably more than $15 an hour (and have for decades).

CraterCove · #39 12/02/13, 01:35 PM

I you can't find a better job MAKE a better job. We did.

MO_cows · #40 12/02/13, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mnn2501

No one is Trapped in a job (except by their own mental limitations) Everyone can get a better job, move up the ladder, or even get trained or educated.

I started in fast food 41 years ago when I was in high school. I'm not still there.

They feel trapped. The point is, they are working for their living and not just sitting home sucking from the taxpayers. Respect that and enlighten them how to improve their lot. Don't just call them names.