Another Knock Out Game Fatality

Laura Zone 10 · #41 11/27/13, 09:08 AM

Tom, unfortunately, stereo-types are in place for a reason.
I have said it 1000 times.......if you don't like being lumped into the stereo-type, do something about it.

It doesn't make one a 'hater'. Not at all.
It's just when statistics bear out a pattern, it's better to be safe than sorry.

TheMartianChick · #42 11/27/13, 11:51 AM

Another point of view:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...src=burger_bar

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Now, the false trend story of black mob violence has cropped up again, as it seems to do annually, in conservative media outlets. (McKay Coppins wrote about this phenomenon in BuzzFeed last year.) The new scare is the "knockout game," in which black youths supposedly attack innocent people just for fun. Conservative pundits decry the MSM for suffering from political correctness and whitewashing crimes perpetrated by black people, but a more reasonable explanation for why most media outlets aren't devoting round-the-clock coverage to the knockout game is that—sorry, Sean Hannity—there is no hard data showing that it's a trend.

An important clarification: the game definitely exists, and has been around for at least a couple of years. I'm not claiming the game doesn't exist. But the idea that it's reached epidemic levels, or that it's only being played by young black people, is a fallacy. As Alan Noble convincingly writes, "Analyzing data is not as simple as watching some YouTube videos and Googling 'knockout game.'" And when it comes to the knockout game's supposed popularity, the data is almost entirely anecdotal:

Patchouli · #43 11/27/13, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

Another point of view:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...src=burger_bar

Thank you for this post. I still can not believe the depths that have been reached in this thread.

**Tiempo** · #44 11/27/13, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

Another point of view:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...src=burger_bar

Yes, definitely a lot of media hype trying to scare the masses for clicks and revenue (at best).

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/...fresh-branding

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But treating the knockout game as a separate phenomenon from street assaults also posits it as an altogether new thing that's on the rise. It isn't.
Ferguson told us that violent crime, and violent crime by young folks in particular, is down. Way down. The rate of violent crime among young people has fallen by nearly two-thirds over the past two decades. "We are seeing a massive decline in our country — of course, being the U.S., we had the furthest to fall compared to other countries," Ferguson said. "There's been a remarkable decline of violence, rape — [even] bullying, as much as it gets attention."
Ferguson went on: "Youth today are about as well-behaved as we have on record," he says. (He said that violent crime committed by people over the age of 50 has fallen less dramatically.)
Ferguson said that giving crimes names — here "the knockout game" — also helps gives them narratives. And once we have those categories, we begin to apply that label to any instance that fits the pattern. Ferguson said that now random assaults are being retroactively tagged as examples of the knockout game.

**Tiempo** · #45 11/27/13, 01:10 PM

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..Conservative pundits decry the MSM for suffering from political correctness and whitewashing crimes perpetrated by black people...

I wish I could find it again, I may be able to, but this morning I was reading a piece on a more conservative outlet that was describing past incidences.

They identified the perps specifically as black in cases where they were, but failed to mention race at all in the cases with white offenders.

mnn2501 · #46 11/27/13, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcountryboy

The mistake wasn't freeing them, the mistake was not compensating them for thier slavery and not relocating them back to thier original country.

The mistake was bringing slaves here in the first place.

snowcap · #47 11/27/13, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

Because it's happening there too? Do people there not matter as much as Americans?

Is a murder there less tragic than a murder here?

By making excuses for the kids, which is what your doing , you leave less of a chance of finding out why it is happening. So more black kids end up in prison, with crimanal records ect. Is that what you want.
The UK should look at what is going on in their country to find out why it is happening, but it appears to be happening for a different reason.
We need to save both the victims and the attackers. The kids need to be stopped from ruining their lives, so they aren't wasting them. And being put in a situation where they become career criminal, hurting even more people.

**Tiempo** · #48 11/27/13, 01:37 PM

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By making excuses for the kids, which is what your doing

This is news to me.

snowcap · #49 11/27/13, 01:40 PM

Then explain the connection, the kids aren't even calling it the same thing.

**Tiempo** · #50 11/27/13, 02:25 PM

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Then explain the connection, the kids aren't even calling it the same thing.

Same principle, it doesn't matter what they are calling it.

You say tomayto, I say Tomahto (literally)...we're still talking about the same thing.

snowcap · #51 11/27/13, 03:19 PM

Yes, but different reasons/causes. Unless some one saw it being done on the internet. I don't see a connection.
Now there was the shooting of the base ball player from Australia. There was both black and whited involved with that. I do see an association with that because it kids that have little to no social training.

unregistered41671 · #52 11/27/13, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by snowcap

There was both black and whited involved with that. I do see an association with that because it kids that have little to no social training.

IMO one was white, the other mixed that shot and killed the young Australian for no other reason aside from boredom. They did pick a white victim to shoot.
Most of the so called knock out games have been done by blacks. But to add, whatever skin color it that commits these heinous and sick crimes, they do need to be punished to the fullest extent.
I do agree that the lack of social training has a lot to do with the situation.

**Tiempo** · #53 11/27/13, 03:51 PM

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Unless some one saw it being done on the internet

Bingo.

Old Vet · #54 11/27/13, 04:19 PM

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I don't know why you might think that...what an odd thing to say.

What ever. You are making excuse for that game so no body got hurt in your mind. You are the problem. Any time you make excuses of that type of game or behavior by bring other races in to it you are making excuse for all of it.I for one will not put up with it and will do all with my power to stop it even using deadly force to stop it. The savage in all races are just that savage and will be dealt with with force.

**Tiempo** · #55 11/27/13, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Vet

What ever. You are making excuse for that game so no body got hurt in your mind. You are the problem. Any time you make excuses of that type of game or behavior by bring other races in to it you are making excuse for all of it.I for one will not put up with it and will do all with my power to stop it even using deadly force to stop it. The savage in all races are just that savage and will be dealt with with force.

I don't understand your logic at all, I'm not making excuses for anyone...of course people got hurt.

I am the problem?

Okey Dokey then

doodlemom · #56 11/28/13, 12:12 AM

Yale’s chief of police sent a letter to faculty staff and students warning of the attacks and urged the Yale community to not walk alone after dark and to be aware of surroundings.
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...233054201.html

snowcap · #57 11/28/13, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

I wish I could find it again, I may be able to, but this morning I was reading a piece on a more conservative outlet that was describing past incidences.

They identified the perps specifically as black in cases where they were, but failed to mention race at all in the cases with white offenders.

Then how do you know they were white?
The ones that I have read that didn't mention race had pictures of the atackers and they were black.
To tell the truth I have been waiting to see some white kids included and have't found a article showing any. Not saying there hasn't been any. The worse ones say the attacks are being exaggerated.

lonelytree · #58 11/28/13, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

I don't understand your logic at all, I'm not making excuses for anyone...of course people got hurt.

I am the problem?

Okey Dokey then

Are you holding your media sources accountable?

What IF this continues to be a problem or escalating and people start retaliating?

**Tiempo** · #59 11/28/13, 08:46 AM

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Then how do you know they were white?

Because they described the incidences, date, location etc and I looked them up.

I wonder why some people want to believe so badly that only black people are capable of doing terrible things.

farmrbrown · #60 11/28/13, 09:05 AM

I've looked into this as well.
As I suspected, finding unbiased facts is next to impossible. The tendency to "color" the incidents one way or another is too tempting for any reporter.
I've seen editorials from Philly and Chicago that offer opinions and vague statistics on hate crimes in general to bolster their position, but no specific details on just these incidents.
I can cite one incident that entered the news as a result of the Zimmerman case. It was the youtube video of the man beating a homeless guy in downtown Sanford a few years ago. Other incidents against homeless or gays occur all the time, and the race is incidental, not consequential.
If you get distracted by those, then it's easy to be oblivious.