College students and SNAP

Yeah, plenty of jobs out there, when I was in college I pumped septic tanks to help pay my way. Later on getting my second degree I drove a gut truck, we hauled leftovers from slaughter houses and butcher shops.

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I saved for college, went to community college first, then went to an in-state school. I had several scholarships (not nearly enough to cover all the costs) and worked several part time jobs at a time all the way through college, and worked full time all summer if I wasn't taking summer classes. My parents helped me get loans that I am now paying off. I didn't party my way through college. I still ended up with some credit card debt (mainly for buying food and paying for other living expenses) and a good chunk of student loan to pay off.

Why is there the assumption that college students are lazy, rich, good for nothings?

You have adult children so how long ago was that? You can not compare the job field of 20-30 years ago to today's.

You just proved that all of those jobs dried up with your statement. If instead of them being temp jobs for students they are now all filled permanently with adults that means those jobs are gone. Jobs up the chain have disappeared and so the adults who would not normally have taken those sorts of part time service jobs have filled them now.

I think I just did, by the way my kids also worked their way through college.

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The job market of today is nothing like the job market of 20-30 years ago. So yes you could say they are the same but that would not be true.

My kids worked through college, you know real jobs. Of which there are plenty around here right now, especially for people that don't mind getting their hands dirty.

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I think if you look back at the posts, you will find that the only assumption is the one you are making about what people are saying. You choose to read into those posts things that are not there.

It is that students are conditioned to look for their education through loans or grants. It simply does not seem to occur to many that there are altenatives. There are not the extensive university to community connections for jobs that existed when I went to school. I suspect the biggest department in many schools is the financial aid people.
And the colleges can charge so much, which seems to end up in building non-educational things and personnel costs, is because their clientele is conditioned to accept increasing loans and to expect incresing grants (which has not happened in awhile.)

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I went to school in the rust belt at the time it became the rust belt. Unemployement was huge and inflation was awful.
So yes, there are jobs even then especially in university towns where the school pays its teaching staff so well and has lots of research that businesses use so they locate there.

Recessions do not seem to hit those towns so hard.

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How can you possibly think that the last few years has been the only hard times in a person's life time?

I know the news likes to puff up the drama of the current recession. But it is only the current one.

If there had not been the housing bubble, then I doubt whether this recession would have been as bad as some of the earlier ones. But the earlier ones had their own issues.

Try credit card debt with 23% interest for a joy ride.

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I worked cutting poison oak off of trees in the summer... Not fun and the pay wasn't great but I sure didn't starve.


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Maybe you should have hauled them to the college cafeterias.

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I find it interesting that we have so many "starving college students living on ramen". When I went to college I ate well, fed a wife and three kids, paid for a homestead while working hit and miss part time work for local farmers. It was also an hours commute to school.. a bit over 50 miles one way.

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I was a full time student... Went first to community college for two years then on to the university. My loan covered housing and the food plan, and the food was really good...and the thing about the loan, you HAD to use your entire amount each term or you'd lose it... And you had to take a full load of credits as well. So at the end you were forced to buy junk on campus you really didn't need. Jobs in town were hard to get. But the college would help find jobs for you that were also related to the field you were interested in.


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It's not that I don't like mankind, I just like nature a whole lot more.

I'm not at all sure that, if I had had the option of getting a substanital loan to pay for living expenses and college fees, whether I might not have made use of it. It would have certainly been easier to just sign a form and get the money. And at that age I would not have realized the real effect of doing this.
It was not thankfully. So I had no car- I took the Greyhound bus where I needed to go. I did not live on Top Ramen- I lived on Kraft Mac and Cheese.
Part of this is the fault of student activists who pushed hard for "living wage" for student work. Law suits and all. When I went to school, I worked off and on for the University at less than outside wages but it made up for that with really flexible hours, experience and no travel need. And, because the student labor was cheap, the University had plenty of jobs set up for students.
But basically there seems to be so much less emphasis on work and so much more on entitlement. I don't think that is healthy for the person or society, however convenient it is for both.

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I worked in the university cafeteria. We were able to eat for free before our shift. The job was more valuable due to the food than the wage.