Niece is entrapped in cult

karenp · #21 10/28/13, 07:09 PM

I would like to add, that if you had her extention you could call her directly. (during daytime hours) The part about message is only if you do not have the extention to her room.

Old Vet · #22 10/28/13, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tlrnnp67

I'm not about to try to remove her against her will. I'd just like to get her out of there and instill some sense of self-worth into her. I guess I'm just frustrated at a potential life wasted. She's a smart girl otherwise and would have a good life ahead of her.

You have the right to change her to your way of living. It doesn't matter if she will be OK with her life you must go ahead and change everything for your own life.

Annsni · #23 10/28/13, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tlrnnp67

I'm not about to try to remove her against her will. I'd just like to get her out of there and instill some sense of self-worth into her. I guess I'm just frustrated at a potential life wasted. She's a smart girl otherwise and would have a good life ahead of her.

She's not killing herself. She's going to college. She still has a good life ahead of her.

Rakkasan · #24 10/28/13, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Annsni

She's not killing herself. She's going to college. She still has a good life ahead of her.

I have to agree here, her going to a Christian College, one that I don't agree with, is not enough for an extraction. If you can give any reasonable evidence of abuse... I will be there for you.

Reboopie · #25 10/28/13, 08:46 PM

I can understand your concerns, I was raised in a very similar situation that I can now see was a cult. While people defend these places because they are "religious" unless you have lived in the life you have no idea how horrible and repressive it can.

Be there for your niece if she ever asks for help, if you encourage her to leave she will just be told it is a test of her faith.

My thoughts are with you, wait on the sidelines in case she ever asks for help.

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Paumon · #26 10/28/13, 09:00 PM

I couldn't open that link. What is the name of the college?

**Tiempo** · #27 10/28/13, 09:29 PM

She's free to leave, so not a cult even though in my opinion it sounds like a very unsavory atmosphere.. but I would be concerned about her wasting her time and money on an unaccredited school.

Awnry Abe · #28 10/28/13, 10:17 PM

A college with no pizza delivery. Man, that sucks.

Yvonne's hubby · #29 10/29/13, 12:47 AM

Sounds like wise girl to me. She found a place that suits her goals and provides her with an environment with few temptations that can easily distract our youth. I see a bright future for the girl.

Sawmill Jim · #30 10/29/13, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Awnry Abe

A college with no pizza delivery. Man, that sucks.

Yep afraid i would be hand tossed ,for sure

Yvonne's hubby · #31 10/29/13, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

She's free to leave, so not a cult even though in my opinion it sounds like a very unsavory atmosphere.. but I would be concerned about her wasting her time and money on an unaccredited school.

Some folks aren't as concerned with a degree as they are knowledge. I went to an unacredited business school... best investment I ever made.

Belfrybat · #32 10/29/13, 07:18 AM

More power to her. It looks like she will get an excellent college eduction without all the distractions that are now part of college life. From reading the brochure, the students are encouraged to socialize with others, even those of opposite sex, but in an enviroment that is protective. It actually sound a lot like my experience at attending a Catholic university in the late '60s. The rules were stricter than I liked, but the lack of distractions and mandatory class participation helped me stay focussed.
Instead of fighting her on her choices, why don't you find out more from her perspective to try to understand her decisions in attending a strict college?

And where on earth did you pick up that she would be shunned if she disobeyed the rules?

GunMonkeyIntl · #33 10/29/13, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tlrnnp67

My 18-year-old niece is in the throes of living in a cult.

This sounds serious. I’m listening.

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Originally Posted by tlrnnp67

I wish I could say that I am surprised, but unfortunately, her parents planted the seeds early in her development, and even encouraged her when she joined. I fear for her future, having known no other way of living or thinking for herself.

Her parents instilled a set of mores in her, and she’s chosen to adhere to them in her adult life?? How dreadful.
According to the good teachings of the Revered Melissa Harris-Perry, her true parents are The Community. These people who raised her are just her temporary stewards and should bow out when The Community decides what is best for her. Someone should have intervened years ago. Was there no Head-Start program in her town when she was a young?

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She is not allowed to witness any current events because she is not allowed to watch or even have access to a television or listen to the radio.

If you manage to convince her to quit her “school”, then she’ll finally be free to receive the Good Word from The Holy Media about the Messiah Obama, and all the good works he does for the faithful.

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Music other than approved by the cult is verboten. Movies of any sort are forbidden.

If you break her out soon, she won’t miss the latest Quentin Taratino blood-spectacle. I hear Machete Kills is AWESOME!!.
While you’re at it you can take her to the Miley Cyrus show, so she has a chance to see how girls her age are supposed to act.

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She must be a virgin until marriage or be expelled from the group... Clothing cannot reveal any leg above the knee, any cleavage whatsoever, and must not be form-fitted…

WHAT?!?!? That is going too far! PM me your address, I’ll pick you up and we’ll go get her right now!!
They’re obviously not teaching her the cannon of the Holy Sister Beyonce. How can she offer herself up to the hungry loins of The Community without a single mini-skirt or pair of fishnet stockings in her wardrobe?

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Exercise is debatable. Martial arts are forbidden due to the element of mysticism involved.

How do they expect her to keep herself fit with running, swimming, volley ball, basket ball, weight lifting, gardening, cycling, walking, skipping rope, hiking, rowing, tennis, skating, badminton, and skiing alone??
Lest she forget the teachings of Mother Michelle, we must reveal to her that yoga is the only path to a fit body and mind. Oh, my bad, I forgot that yoga is out and tai chi is in. Without tai chi there is no internal peace.
Now, all together, “Let’s Move….oooohhhhmmmm”.

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Originally Posted by tlrnnp67

Infractions are sometimes given demerits, but often the first occurrence is cause for shunning.

And they expect her to be accountable for her actions. She’s in for a rude awakening when she comes out of that cult and realizes that The Community is here to provide for her. If only she would get addicted to prescription medications, knocked up by an absentee man, and have a couple children diagnosed with ADD at birth. We’ll get her set up with a net-payee account for each of the children, an EBT card, and food stamps. Only then will she realize that her “education” was waste of both time AND money – wealth which could have been offered up to Bishop Pelosi to “spread around” as only she knows best.

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So as to be easily tracked, she must scan in and out of buildings and even her own room with a key card. Off-compound travel is strictly regulated and by appointment only. Sign-in and sign-out is required, and may or may not be granted. Off-compound employment must be approved and cannot have required working hours conflicting with ceremonies.

Is that even legal? I was taught that my every thought and action was only for the eyes of the all-seeing NSA, praised be They. Perhaps They will hear your prayers (or at least read your forum posts) and liberate her from this captivity.

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Health issues, especially those requiring medication, must be reported to the authority.

This is obviously unnecessary. With the invocation of Chapter 1 Verse 1 of the Holy Book of HeathCareDotGov, The Holy Shaman Sebelius has delivered us from all ailments, and collected all of our personal information at one time. This “school”, and their “insurance policy” are clearly overstepping the bounds, fashioning themselves into something of a golden calf, in the shadow of the mountain of the One True Authority. Surely they will be punished.

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Originally Posted by tlrnnp67

I suppose I can agree with some of the principles on a basic level, but it's the complete control of an ADULT with no allowance for socialization, independent thinking, or learning of personal consequences other than those dispensed from authority are things that I cannot fathom. I think she will be stunted for years to come if she is ever even able to develop a semblance of independent thought.

How could she not understand that her decision to attend this college and receive an education in the field of her choice was done without a single thread of independent thought?
If only you could convince her that she should think more like you, you could get her out here, into the real world, which

is

nothing

like

a

cult.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
Encourage your niece to make the most of this education, and build a good life for herself.
Or, get out of her way.

Becka03 · #34 10/29/13, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Annsni

Guys - This is a college. She's not being "held" or "drugged". She's paying tuition to be educated at a strict Christian college.

Agreed- I just looked at the link the OP put up this is a strict Christian College-
Part of me wishes someone had given me the advice to go to a more conservative college- with more guidance!

Laura Zone 10 · #35 10/29/13, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GunMonkeyIntl

This sounds serious. I’m listening.

Her parents instilled a set of mores in her, and she’s chosen to adhere to them in her adult life?? How dreadful.
According to the good teachings of the Revered Melissa Harris-Perry, her true parents are The Community. These people who raised her are just her temporary stewards and should bow out when The Community decides what is best for her. Someone should have intervened years ago. Was there no Head-Start program in her town when she was a young?

If you manage to convince her to quit her “school”, then she’ll finally be free to receive the Good Word from The Holy Media about the Messiah Obama, and all the good works he does for the faithful.

If you break her out soon, she won’t miss the latest Quentin Taratino blood-spectacle. I hear Machete Kills is AWESOME!!.
While you’re at it you can take her to the Miley Cyrus show, so she has a chance to see how girls her age are supposed to act.

WHAT?!?!? That is going too far! PM me your address, I’ll pick you up and we’ll go get her right now!!
They’re obviously not teaching her the cannon of the Holy Sister Beyonce. How can she offer herself up to the hungry loins of The Community without a single mini-skirt or pair of fishnet stockings in her wardrobe?

How do they expect her to keep herself fit with running, swimming, volley ball, basket ball, weight lifting, gardening, cycling, walking, skipping rope, hiking, rowing, tennis, skating, badminton, and skiing alone??
Lest she forget the teachings of Mother Michelle, we must reveal to her that yoga is the only path to a fit body and mind. Oh, my bad, I forgot that yoga is out and tai chi is in. Without tai chi there is no internal peace.
Now, all together, “Let’s Move….oooohhhhmmmm”.

And they expect her to be accountable for her actions. She’s in for a rude awakening when she comes out of that cult and realizes that The Community is here to provide for her. If only she would get addicted to prescription medications, knocked up by an absentee man, and have a couple children diagnosed with ADD at birth. We’ll get her set up with a net-payee account for each of the children, an EBT card, and food stamps. Only then will she realize that her “education” was waste of both time AND money – wealth which could have been offered up to Bishop Pelosi to “spread around” as only she knows best.

Is that even legal? I was taught that my every thought and action was only for the eyes of the all-seeing NSA, praised be They. Perhaps They will hear your prayers (or at least read your forum posts) and liberate her from this captivity.

This is obviously unnecessary. With the invocation of Chapter 1 Verse 1 of the Holy Book of HeathCareDotGov, The Holy Shaman Sebelius has delivered us from all ailments, and collected all of our personal information at one time. This “school”, and their “insurance policy” are clearly overstepping the bounds, fashioning themselves into something of a golden calf, in the shadow of the mountain of the One True Authority. Surely they will be punished.

How could she not understand that her decision to attend this college and receive an education in the field of her choice was done without a single thread of independent thought?
If only you could convince her that she should think more like you, you could get her out here, into the real world, which

is

nothing

like

a

cult.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
Encourage your niece to make the most of this education, and build a good life for herself.
Or, get out of her way.

BRAVO!!!!

7thswan · #36 10/29/13, 08:28 AM

Cult, I thought you might be talking about the Obama cult or Muslim cult....

Annsni · #37 10/29/13, 08:31 AM

I've gotta say that I'm no fan of PCC. I do think that they are a little over the top and I'd be kicked out of there a bit too soon. I hate skirts, LOVE contemporary worship music and even old 80s alternative rock (secular stuff, no less!) and I like watching TV here and there. But really, to call it a cult? A bit over the top.

unregistered41671 · #38 10/29/13, 08:36 AM

I think the OP needs to look up the definition of a cult.

paradox · #39 10/29/13, 09:00 AM

I did some quick searches on it last night. Reading their site it just sounds very strict and mostly in line with Biblical teachings. Strict isn't always "Crazy". Think of the Amish. They would not have access to media and current events much either and have similar strict dress codes. However...

If you look up info about the college other than their own website - there are a few sites where people talk about their experience there. Some of it raised an eyebrow for me. Just because something says Christian on the building does not necessarily mean they have not gone off the rails a bit. For example, Westboro Baptist Church sounds pretty benign to anyone who hasn't seen the news reports about them - but they are most definitely a CULT. But OTOH you can generally find nasty comments about virtually any organization in existence if you poke around a bit. The conclusion I came to is that I don't know enough about this place to judge it.

So the only logical advice is that if she is an adult and is happy there - do nothing and keep the lines of communication open. If she ever hints she might be in trouble and needs out - then it is time to act.

Ambereyes · #40 10/29/13, 09:06 AM

I watched one of my relatives go through life at a good college, it was sad. She was working her way through so lived on campus. Her experiences were not good. She said it was nearly impossible to study or get any rest. Constant partying and noise late at night. She was ridiculed for not joining in the mess and studying to much. She made excellent grades though, shortly after her second year she decided it was just not worth the aggravation left college and joined the Marines.

She was very happy with her decision and later got a degree. Her take on the whole thing was this country is a mess when young adults have so little respect for the advantages they have.