Interesting: Obamacare

the CBO has a history of underestimating the costs of programs. but since we are on the topic of the CBO, please google the CBO 2013 Long-Term Budget Outlook. Take a read through their 165 pages of dire predictions based on our current spending and the predicted growth on medical programs and social security. They basically say we have to cut spending AND raise taxes soon to TRY to get things under control by 2038!! You may be getting some benefits from this program today but don't believe you will get the same benefits in the future.

Frankly, I'm scared for what my kids are going to have to deal with in this country when they get to be my age.

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yeah, you can also google "cbo underestimates obamacare" and find a slew of articles disputing their numbers. Some estimates have it at nearly $2 TRILLION in the first decade, 2014-2024.

I worked for the government at one point--if you believe that you are very naive at best. There is no way you can find anything creditable that says the "facts" you posted are true today, and they probably were not honest in 2011. This obamacare bill is based on lies and twisted facts.

My DS is the CEO and President of a fairly large non-profit hospital and medical center. As a nurse, I have managed medical offices. There is no where near the waste of money that is claimed. Non-profit hospitals try to run a 1.5-2% profit margin, which goes into charitable care. Profit based hospitals try to maintain 7.5- 8 % profit margin. That does not allow the government much to take to pay for our health care.

Doctors have huge investments in education and if they set up an office it is also very expensive. They can earn a good living, but they also have a huge investment. Do you really want to chase the best and brights people in our country out of medicine? Most are capable of making a good living in almost any field.

You may try to justify getting medical care paid for by others anyway you want, but the truth is the taxpayers will be paying the bills.

the government is going to be looking into everything and you think that you don't have to "lie" anymore about your health issues. You have even more reason now.

the government is now making policy/ recommendation on what tests are necessary and who should get them. the preventative care , they talk about, can be done at any walgreens in 10 min or so with the tests they carry and issues/problems won't be caught until too late. stage 4 in most cancers are not treatable.

if you have any history of behavior that would be detrimental to your health you will be marked. Just like they don't give an alcoholic a new liver they won't help smokers, food addicts/ obese, alcoholics. pot smokers will be given a free ride (just kidding)

dh work is talking about making spouses take tests to prove if they smoke or drink or not and they are going to me monitored for bmi etc. the higher the numbers the higher the premiums.

my friend's works does this now only it is the carrot not stick approach. if she goes in and "proves" she is in good health she gets a refund or reduced rates for next year. she refuses to go do the physical ( treadmill, pushups and weight and measuring) so she pays more.

Or than some friends of ours's adult gay son, who also has to buy the maternity coverage. O.O

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You DO know don't you that its been revised. By the CBO, btw. Its far far far more than that. I'd quote the # of billions but I'd be wrong b/c once you get over a certain am't of $$, my eyes glaze over & its just a zillion to me.

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Ok... first off, I have insurance that I pay for through my work. I have a $200 per year deductible then it covers 90% until I pay my maximum co-pay of $1000 per year. After I hit my maximum they cover 100%. It covers 100% of preventive care. And yes, since affordable healthcare initiated a year ago there is no lifetime cap. It costs me about 1/4 of what affordable healthcare through the gov costs for my state! Because I work for it.

Secondly, forcing people is communism. Yes it should lower the deficit since it is a TAX by any other name. A tax your children and their children will bare for the deadbeats that will take advantage.

Thirdly... What progress? Less than a million have applied! USA census says we have over 280 million people! Also... it doesn't go into effect until January 2014... what problems will arise then?!

Better solution would be to pass a law saying insurance companys can't gouge pre-existing conditions and no caps.

Is anyone else here amazed at the number of people who still think there is really such a thing as "free"? Maybe their definition of free is someone else paying.

I'm a strong defender of the 1st amendment, but sometimes I wonder if the word free shouldn't be banned from all advertising.

When someone says "obamacare covers" or "obamacare pays for" they're exhibiting their ignorance for all the world to see. The government doesn't have one thin dime it didn't take from someone, under threat.

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And there lies a major rub. Some people seem to be perfectly fine with other people paying.
I can remember once I was in a check out at the grocery and I was a dollar short. I could have charged it but instead was going to put something back.
The woman behind me shoved a dollar into the clerk's hand. She either had no patience to wait a second for me or she thought I was too poor to pay for it. I'm sure she was a very lovely person but she embarassed the heck out of me. I found myself trying to say "no thank you" but she would not listen. The cashier took it. No matter what she actually thought, it was highly embarassing to be so judged by her unfortunate charity. I kept saying "I can afford it" to the air.
Yet I can hear the comments that will come. "What is your problem?" And there in lies the difference. Those who can't see the problem are incapable of seeing the problem.

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