Interesting: Obamacare

7thswan · #21 10/28/13, 07:09 AM

Obamacare is just like the Community Reinvestment Act that crashed in 2008-it is Government regulating a business sector. The Community reinvestment Act regulated Banks. Obamacare is regulateing Health Insurance. It will crash and then the Government will take it over. The government will do this with everything. Implement Fashism into Communisum.

lhspirited · #22 10/28/13, 08:56 AM

There is so much false information in this thread. I don't have time to list it all. Please know though that Obamacare is a GOOD thing. Don't believe all the false claims.

arabian knight · #23 10/28/13, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

Obamacare is just like the Community Reinvestment Act that crashed in 2008-it is Government regulating a business sector. The Community reinvestment Act regulated Banks. Obamacare is regulateing Health Insurance. It will crash and then the Government will take it over. The government will do this with everything. Implement Fashism into Communisum.

Yes, and Obama thought this crash thing would not happen for 3 to 5 years. It is going to happen much sooner then expected. And when Obamacare crashes is when the Single Payer System will be the talk of the day. Obama wanted that to happen in the next 3 to 5 years but will happen a lot quicker. That is why the insurance site crashed they ewer Changing things right up to the last minute KNOWING, that sooner then later this single payer is happening Quickly.
And Single payer IS socialism at its worst. Yes it is happening quicker then Obama wanted. He WANTED to be out of office before it did. LOL

partndn · #24 10/28/13, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lhspirited

There is so much false information in this thread. I don't have time to list it all. Please know though that Obamacare is a GOOD thing. Don't believe all the false claims.

denial ^^

Becka03 · #25 10/28/13, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lhspirited

There is so much false information in this thread. I don't have time to list it all. Please know though that Obamacare is a GOOD thing. Don't believe all the false claims.

cause the thousands losing healthcare are ohhhh so happy- and the thousands having to pay more are ohhhh so happy- LOL

Horsefly · #26 10/28/13, 11:53 AM

Ihspirited,
Please elaborate. I have not heard or seen anything positive with this. This is going to hurt us big time.

beowoulf90 · #27 10/28/13, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lhspirited

There is so much false information in this thread. I don't have time to list it all. Please know though that Obamacare is a GOOD thing. Don't believe all the false claims.

Excuse Me!

Forcing me to buy a product I don't want or need is not Freedom or a Good thing!

In fact to prove it.

I think every American should have to buy 5 brand new cars.. No matter if you need them or not... That way we have no one who is with out transportation and of course in many States if you have a vehicle you also have to have insurance.. Of course since I am acting as the Government you should have to have full coverage on all vehicles...

Sarcasm off..

That isn't Freedom or Liberty or even the pursuit of Happiness..

But I keep forgetting that the Constitution means so little to most people..

All I can say is Jefferson was correct..

You can search for the quote I'm referring to.

I am deeply saddened by the willingness of some to give up their Freedom..

Win07_351 · #28 10/28/13, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

Excuse Me!

Forcing me to buy a product I don't want or need is not Freedom or a Good thing!

In fact to prove it.

I think every American should have to buy 5 brand new cars.. No matter if you need them or not... That way we have no one who is with out transportation and of course in many States if you have a vehicle you also have to have insurance.. Of course since I am acting as the Government you should have to have full coverage on all vehicles...

Sarcasm off..

That isn't Freedom or Liberty or even the pursuit of Happiness..

But I keep forgetting that the Constitution means so little to most people..

All I can say is Jefferson was correct..

You can search for the quote I'm referring to.

I am deeply saddened by the willingness of some to give up their Freedom..

Most people want security over freedom. Even the Tories liked the security that the British king gave them. (sad, but true).

Molly Mckee · #29 10/28/13, 01:08 PM

Obamacare a good thing? I don't think so. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have lost their health insurance and have to go to the exchanges or pay a whole lot more for insurance, or both. All of our kids are going to be paying at least 30% more for insurance and some much more than that. The co-pays in all the cases I've seen make the insurance unusable, unless you qualify for medicaid.

Our state set up it's own exchange, which mostly works. 35,000 have signed up, all but a few thousand for medicaid. This is not going to even come close to working, costs billions of dollars and even more people are going to be without usable healthcare. What a waste!

Do we need to fix our healthcare system, yes. But it should be done by people with experience in healthcare, who know what they are doing and not politicians who are so out of touch with reality that they think increasing a families healthcare cost by thousands of dollars and then adding the huge co-pays is reasonable. Most Americans can't just print more money in their basements like the government can, unless they want to go to jail.

where I want to · #30 10/28/13, 02:28 PM

It's a good thing for those who get either Medicaid or almost free health insurance. Or for someone who has a very expensive medical condition and now can get health insurance where the true costs are covered by the healthier members of the group.
The government could have achieved all that without screwing up insurance for the whole country. All it would take is honesty to say that we are going to tax you more to do these things. Not pleasant but at least truthful.
As it stand now, the choice for most people to get what works best for the individual has been sacrified wholesale to help a smaller group benefit largely.

Becka03 · #31 10/28/13, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by where I want to

It's a good thing for those who get either Medicaid or almost free health insurance. Or for someone who has a very expensive medical condition and now can get health insurance where the true costs are covered by the healthier members of the group.
The government could have achieved all that without screwing up insurance for the whole country. All it would take is honesty to say that we are going to tax you more to do these things. Not pleasant but at least truthful.
As it stand now, the choice for most people to get what works best for the individual has been sacrified wholesale to help a smaller group benefit largely.

not to mention those people who they are banking on buying- are not buying - and some even getting medicaid now...
the system will collapse with out buy in from the young healthy people in their mid 20s to early 30's- and most of them who get Health insurance from work- like me- won't be paying more - I am a lucky person- minus that next yr I am screwed- this yr- it is okay- anyway- most will just not have the income to afford it- and take a penalty or tax or what ever

davwil143 · #32 10/28/13, 07:16 PM

I wish that was true.

lhspirited · #33 10/28/13, 10:12 PM

Preventative care is all fully paid for under obamacare (not subject to the deductible or any co-pays)!.

With Obamacare, I now have the peace of mind of knowing that the insurance company cannot cancel my coverage if I use my insurance. I won't ever have to file bankruptcy if I have an catastrophic illness and no insurance. Yeah!!! I no longer have to hide medical information from my insurance company. I would never have gotten insurance for the past several years if I had disclosed all.

People being forced to buy insurance means that my medical rates will no longer be increased due to folks without insurance going to the emergency room and those costs increasing medical costs for the rest of us. No more deadbeats. Everybody pays their fair share.

The costs of Obamacare will be covered, and it will reduce the deficit in future years.

Those are some of the reasons I love obamacare!

Obama has FAILED to inform average joes on the insurance changes effectively, and failed to monitor the progress of the Obamacare website development. Otherwise this is an awesome achievement imo.

arabian knight · #34 10/28/13, 10:29 PM

And when Obamacare collapses under its own weight, and the country gets into even more trouble with its debt, will you be as happy then? And when then it turns into a even more Socialistic Medicine as in the UK, when a Single Payer System is instituted will you be happy then? After all that is what is behind all of this, is a single payer system and that is even on tape with Obama saying just that. The only difference now is that he THOUGHT it would take 5 to 8 years, and now it looks like it may even come a LOT Sooner.

Molly Mckee · #35 10/28/13, 10:33 PM

How much of your premium is a tax credit or paid by the government ? Or is it part of Medicaid? Obviously, this isn't the whole payment.

lonelytree · #36 10/29/13, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lhspirited

We are self employed. For the past several years, we've been buying catastrophic coverage which is currently $281 a month. Jan 1 (under obamacare) our monthly rate will be $111. Our deductible will drop from $15,000 to $5,000. Preventative care is all fully paid for under obamacare (not subject to the deductible or any co-pays)!.

I now have the peace of mind of knowing that the insurance company cannot cancel my coverage if I use my insurance. I won't ever have to file bankruptcy if I have an catastrophic illness and no insurance. Yeah!!! I have multiple sclerosis (mild). I no longer have to hide this fact from my insurance company. I would never have gotten insurance for the past several years if I had disclosed that fact.

People being forced to buy insurance means that my medical rates will no longer be artificially increased due to folks without insurance going to the emergency room and those costs artificially increasing medical costs for the rest of us. No more deadbeats. Everybody pays their fair share.

Those are some of the reasons I love obamacare!

I call bovine fecal matter.

My father died of MS.

Get back with us in 6 months. I really want to know how your rates are doing.

JV_FL · #37 10/29/13, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lhspirited

There is so much false information in this thread. I don't have time to list it all. Please know though that Obamacare is a GOOD thing. Don't believe all the false claims.

I say giving every man, woman and child $1,000,000 and a unicorn is good too...but we can't pay for that and unicorns don't exist. Obamacare will bankrupt the country (when combined with all of the other social programs) because we can't pay for them. Lots of things are good in theory when you only consider the benefits and conveniently disregard reality.

lonelytree · #38 10/29/13, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lhspirited

We are self employed. For the past several years, we've been buying catastrophic coverage which is currently $281 a month. Jan 1 (under obamacare) our monthly rate will be $111. Our deductible will drop from $15,000 to $5,000. Preventative care is all fully paid for under obamacare (not subject to the deductible or any co-pays)!.

I now have the peace of mind of knowing that the insurance company cannot cancel my coverage if I use my insurance. I won't ever have to file bankruptcy if I have an catastrophic illness and no insurance. Yeah!!! I have multiple sclerosis (mild). I no longer have to hide this fact from my insurance company. I would never have gotten insurance for the past several years if I had disclosed that fact.

People being forced to buy insurance means that my medical rates will no longer be artificially increased due to folks without insurance going to the emergency room and those costs artificially increasing medical costs for the rest of us. No more deadbeats. Everybody pays their fair share.

Those are some of the reasons I love obamacare!

When you pay 9 months of your earnings........ tell me about it.

JV_FL · #39 10/29/13, 02:20 AM

I already have to support my family...now I am forced to support your family? What are you going to do when all of the people like me decide this working stuff is for chumps?

This money isn't free people! Somebody has to pay your premiums. I'll give you a hint...the "evil' rich and corporations don't have that kind of money, it is all going to come out of the middle class, the people like me who are getting fed up with this.

And while you may not go bankrupt for your medical bills, the collective "we" are on a path to bankruptcy.

MullersLaneFarm · #40 10/29/13, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

That isn't Freedom or Liberty or even the pursuit of Happiness..
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All I can say is Jefferson was correct..

You can search for the quote I'm referring to.

I do believe you meant to reference Benjamin Franklin in 1755 at the PA Assembly, quoted from his reply to the Governor, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."