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10/18/13, 08:57 PM
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I don't think Bacharach can be blamed for anything. He was simply doing the job that he was paid to do, which was to produce music for the hollywood movie industry and for Broadway plays. He was commissioned to write a song for a movie called Wives and Lovers, which is also the name of that song. Wives and Lovers was about adultry and alcoholism, but fortunately it had a happy ending. Bacharach produced tons of music for a lot of movies and plays at that time as well as composing the lyrics for tunes that other artists created. He produced what he was asked to produce and was very talented and popular.
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Fair enough, but was the movie itself, even attempting to define culture/morals, or was it merely reflecting the values of the time? Art reflecting life. again It was a comedy, also, so it may have taken more "liberties", than other mainstream movies of that time.
Remember, the early 1960's was the beginning of the "sexual revolution", at least in the U.S., Completely unlike anything, we had ever experienced before.
Lots of "old school" sexual and relational norms, went to the wayside, many going away for good.
The changes were both bad and good, to many.
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10/18/13, 09:44 PM
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The movie Wives and Lovers wasn't a comedy but I do think it was reflecting the values of the times, much as the original The First Wives Club was not a comedy and was also reflecting the values of the times. And yes, the sexual revolution of the 60's was unlike anything experienced since medieval times.
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10/23/13, 10:13 AM
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To be frank I have seen the way women crank on th elooks nowadays for men and I think th eonly thing that has changed is out warped perception of what is beauty! Nowadays its considered OK to have a boob job, extensions, heavy makeup , fake nails whereas back int hat time people would have been shocked...
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10/23/13, 10:40 AM
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Sexist? Probably. But I've made my mind up to be as politically incorrect as I can from now on.
Hey that voice sounds familiar! Reminds me of the "Love Boat" theme song.
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10/23/13, 11:36 AM
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It seems a bit silly to get in a snit about an old song. Geez I just don't have the time to go searching for something to get upset about, life is short.
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10/23/13, 12:05 PM
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I think some people have too much time on their hands & are way to sensitive.
I really don't have time, nor care to analyze & get upset about 50 year old song lyrics.
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10/23/13, 08:59 PM
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My wife works in a tack store, and in a horse barn. She doesn't wear makeup and does not own curlers or even a blow dryer. Her hair is streaked fetchingly with gray. Her annual outlay for Levis and Carhartts is less than any single thing designed by Yves St. Laurent. She always looks great, and after 22 years of marriage to her I find the smell of old leather and horse manure to be an aphrodisiac.
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10/23/13, 09:35 PM
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Sexist? Hell yes it is. Who in the world wears curlers anymore???? Curlers?? I've never heard anything so sexist in my life. Curlers indeed.....
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10/24/13, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HOTW
To be frank I have seen the way women crank on th elooks nowadays for men and I think th eonly thing that has changed is out warped perception of what is beauty! Nowadays its considered OK to have a boob job, extensions, heavy makeup , fake nails whereas back in that time people would have been shocked...
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No no, nothing has changed. If anything styles and makeup were just as bizarre but not shocking in the 60's as any other time because everyone was really getting into the very 'out there' styles. In the 60's women used curlers and bonnet hair dryers because there was no such thing as electric curling irons yet, or they double-twisted their hair around rags overnight to make ringlets, or pin curls made with bobby pins, or wore outrageous wigs, falls and postiches instead of hair extensions, or back-combed beehive hairstyles hard as a brick with hair spray.... you could put your fellas eye out with your hair if you snuggled close. You were nobody that counted if you didn't dye your hair platinum blonde at least once just to see if it was true that blondes had more fun.
Heavy elongated Egyptian style black doe-eyes eyeliner with matte pink or white eyeshadow and thick long mink eyelashes glued on with pasty mascara over them, and long false 'twiggy' lashes glued or painted onto the lower lids, and white pearl lipstick - they were all the rage. All made popular by the London model called "Twiggy".
Fake nails were made from acrylic that had to be painted onto a form stuck under your own nails, allowed to dry and harden (it took at least a couple of hours to harden) and then filed and shaped into claws and lastly painted over with nail polish, instead of the ready-made paste-on nails you get today. If you accidently ripped off a fake nail it ripped off your own entire fingernail off with it right to the cuticle. And the 60's was when pearly blue and green nail polish first became popular, they were really weird, ugly shades that looked like puke.
It was the beginning of mini-skirts that just barely covered the bum (also made stylish by Twiggy), and bell-bottom hipster pants that sat far below the hip bones that just barely covered the .... ahem (the bush) .... it was the end of stockings with girdles or garter-belts to hold them up and the beginning of wild fish-net panty hose and knee high white patent leather boots that were made for dancing.
Women got humongous breast implants that were hard as rocks, or wore thick padded bras that looked like pointy ice-cream cones .... or padded French push up bras that pushed the breasts up to your chin.
And then along came itsy bitsy teeny weeny string bikinis .... oh my!
Edited to add that of course not All women got into those fashions, but a very great many did and the 60's fashions and changes in styles swept the world like a world wide revolution, just like so many other revolutionary things that happened in the 60's and changed the world in many ways.
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10/24/13, 10:20 AM
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No no, nothing has changed. If anything styles and makeup were just as bizarre but not shocking in the 60's as any other time because everyone was really getting into the very 'out there' styles. In the 60's women used curlers and bonnet hair dryers because there was no such thing as electric curling irons yet, or they double-twisted their hair around rags overnight to make ringlets, or pin curls made with bobby pins, or wore outrageous wigs, falls and postiches instead of hair extensions, or back-combed beehive hairstyles hard as a brick with hair spray.... you could put your fellas eye out with your hair if you snuggled close. You were nobody that counted if you didn't dye your hair platinum blonde at least once just to see if it was true that blondes had more fun.
Heavy elongated Egyptian style black doe-eyes eyeliner with matte pink or white eyeshadow and thick long mink eyelashes glued on with pasty mascara over them, and long false 'twiggy' lashes glued or painted onto the lower lids, and white pearl lipstick - they were all the rage. All made popular by the London model called "Twiggy".
Fake nails were made from acrylic that had to be painted onto a form stuck under your own nails, allowed to dry and harden (it took at least a couple of hours to harden) and then filed and shaped into claws and lastly painted over with nail polish, instead of the ready-made paste-on nails you get today. If you accidently ripped off a fake nail it ripped off your own entire fingernail off with it right to the cuticle. And the 60's was when pearly blue and green nail polish first became popular, they were really weird, ugly shades that looked like puke.
It was the beginning of mini-skirts that just barely covered the bum (also made stylish by Twiggy), and bell-bottom hipster pants that sat far below the hip bones that just barely covered the .... ahem (the bush) .... it was the end of stockings with girdles or garter-belts to hold them up and the beginning of wild fish-net panty hose and knee high white patent leather boots that were made for dancing.
Women got humongous breast implants that were hard as rocks, or wore thick padded bras that looked like pointy ice-cream cones .... or padded French push up bras that pushed the breasts up to your chin.
And then along came itsy bitsy teeny weeny string bikinis .... oh my!
Edited to add that of course not All women got into those fashions, but a very great many did and the 60's fashions and changes in styles swept the world like a world wide revolution, just like so many other revolutionary things that happened in the 60's and changed the world in many ways.
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10/24/13, 01:34 PM
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Me too. I miss the 60's.
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10/27/13, 08:49 AM
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Not really sexist but shallow. But like doodle mom pointed out the sentiment can go both ways for both men and women, and it does. Both sexes like to be attracted and attractive.
Another option is that you both can just be sloppy and casual and still be in love and find each other sexy.
Hey little girl
with your hair in your curlers
What do you say, lets roll in the hay,
And leave the dinner for later?
Hey my little mr
unshaven and scruffy,
What do you say, lets roll in the hay,
And leave the breakfast for later?
Could work.
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10/27/13, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MO_cows
If someone released that song today, it would be considered sexist and demeaning to women and there would be an uproar. It's a product of its time and quite dated. Hey, wait a minute, I was wrong. If somebody rapped that song today, there wouldn't be any uproar, now would there??
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hahah, see you can't have an uproar about a rap song dehumanizing and offending women because the accusation would be automatically deemed racist and racism trumps sexism on the PC severity scale, so that makes degrading and dehumanizing women in a rap song perfectly acceptable in some illogical way. Go figure.
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10/27/13, 09:17 AM
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The idea that women should dress up, pamper, and seduce their husbands daily was an idea that pushed strongly by women's magazines during post ww2 prosperity. It was a middleclass trend for middle class house wives that most likely has roots in the middle class culture of the Victorian times. it is an impossible dream, that is why it never worked and why so many people rebel against it.
The husband running off with, or having a fling with, some sexy care free woman at the office was a reality, so was the reality that an idol wife at home would get restless at home and have affairs. That is why people use to pass on the advice that a wife should keep her husband well fed and satisfied in the bedroom and that a husband should provide more then enough money, give his wife many kids to keep her distracted and out of trouble, and to take the time to listen to her, treat her special, and to keep the romance in the relationship.
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10/27/13, 09:22 AM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by City Bound
The husband running off with, or having a fling with, some sexy care free woman at the office was a reality, so was the reality that an idol wife at home would get restless at home and have affairs.
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I am certainly glad those days are long gone!
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10/27/13, 02:50 PM
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It is sexist because it is aimed at women only. If the verses alternated between what a wife needs to do and what a husband needs to then it would not be sexist. It would still be very shallow but at least it would be even handed.
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