If the U.S.economy collapses, there were literally be two types of people -Haves and Have-nots, both of which will be clearly defined.
If you have something, someone else wants, you are a have. I you want something, someone else has, you are a have-not. Could be anything , a pile of gold - or an $200 LED TV.
Everyone will act accordingly.
When modern Americans are broke, homeless and starving, they are not simply going to wander around, like the Joad family, from the grapes of Wrath, hoping for a food handout or some work.
There are too many guns, no scruples and too much hatred for anyone considered to be a "have".
I bought gold to make money not hoard. I have never bought silver, I just keep what comes to me. I would rather have things I use everyday. Anyway, how would the government know what I have or how much....James
Since January 2013, they have been keeping track. I think but not sure, that junk silver is NOT tracked.
The government doesn't have to change a bit to come and take your hold or precious metals, they already do it. My uncle grew a single pot plant, got busted, and they raided not only his stash, but also all of his gold, silver, antique guns that his father used in World War II...all that stuff was stolen, no record of it was made, and even though the matter was finally sorted out in court, and he didn't lose his farm, he never did get any of his stolen property back, because the cops denied ever having taken it. :-/
What he does still have: his farm, the outbuildings and pens, the trees he planted, the ginseng...
Same with Randy Weaver- they accused him of something, stole all his guns. Dunno if he had gold, but if he did, they probably took that, too.
So I'd say, invest in farm infrastructure: trees, your own independent water supply, fencing, perennial plants, fruits, vegetables, and yourself and your family: health, education, etc. If I ever get land, it is going to be in a trust or something....have seen other people lose their land. :-(
I don't have a problem with having small amounts around, mainly silver coins. But I think gold would be difficult to barter with. If you need $50 bucks worth of stuff and you have a gold coin worth $500, it is tough to make that work. Unless you have the capability to melt that down into very minisule amounts.
Like I said, I keep small amounts of silver but if it comes down to bartering, I'd rather have tools, alcohol, medical supplies etc to use.
I don't have a problem with having small amounts around, mainly silver coins. But I think gold would be difficult to barter with. If you need $50 bucks worth of stuff and you have a gold coin worth $500, it is tough to make that work. Unless you have the capability to melt that down into very minisule amounts.
Like I said, I keep small amounts of silver but if it comes down to bartering, I'd rather have tools, alcohol, medical supplies etc to use.
For folks that have the money they make a credit card size gold bar that you can break pieces off of .
I don't have a problem with having small amounts around, mainly silver coins. But I think gold would be difficult to barter with. If you need $50 bucks worth of stuff and you have a gold coin worth $500, it is tough to make that work. Unless you have the capability to melt that down into very minisule amounts.
Like I said, I keep small amounts of silver but if it comes down to bartering, I'd rather have tools, alcohol, medical supplies etc to use.
Good idea, but IMO, if we get to that point, in New America, the most useful (and used) "bartering tool", will be the barrel of a loaded gun.
If I had to pick sides , Im not interested in hang'in with someone who can knock a sliver off a chuck of gold to buy a can of peaches ... I'm hang'in with the dude who can make a half way decent meal out of last weeks road kill .
If I had to pick sides , Im not interested in hang'in with someone who can knock a sliver off a chuck of gold to buy a can of peaches ... I'm hang'in with the dude who can make a half way decent meal out of last weeks road kill .
Good luck finding someone still affording gas to have road kill.
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Those of you with net flix who want to see one of the most realistic post - apocalyptic movies check out " the road . "No zombies , or evil warlords .Just a tale of a man and his young son trying to survive by any means possible. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
Those of you with net flix who want to see one of the most realistic post - apocalyptic movies check out " the road . "No zombies , or evil warlords .Just a tale of a man and his young son trying to survive by any means possible. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
Although Netflix doesn't carry this, and I'm not sure where you can buy a copy, the 14 1/2 hour long miniseries "Amerika" that was shown on ABC in 1987 was, in my opinion, the best depiction of what the U.S. might be like during an occupation by a foreign force, which might eventually be something like a coalition (the U.N.) or China and the "U.N.", rather than the USSR, which is what the series depicts. Most of it seems to be on YouTube...here's the first hour:
Good idea, but IMO, if we get to that point, in New America, the most useful (and used) "bartering tool", will be the barrel of a loaded gun.
It depends. Everybody is armed, at least where I live. I don't think you are going to have as widespread of a lawless society as people think. You can't provide for your family when you are dead. People aren't going to be looking to get into shootouts.
It depends. Everybody is armed, at least where I live. I don't think you are going to have as widespread of a lawless society as people think. You can't provide for your family when you are dead. People aren't going to be looking to get into shootouts.
It diffidently will be a widespread lawless society.Heck , its almost there now . Look at the big cities like Chicago, NY ect .and mutipli that by a million .
The meek ,I promise you , will not be the ones to inherent the earth.They will be , without a doubt ,the first casualties in the weeding process .Neighbor Jim owning Great Grandpas Arisaka type 38 rifle he took off a Jap in ww1 or Uncle Dougs rabbit gun means absolute zero to the hoods and the street scum who have been practicing the art of preying on the naive for a long time now .
It diffidently will be a widespread lawless society.Heck , its almost there now . Look at the big cities like Chicago, NY ect .and mutipli that by a million .
The meek ,I promise you , will not be the ones to inherent the earth.They will be , without a doubt ,the first casualties in the weeding process .Neighbor Jim owning Great Grandpas Arisaka type 38 rifle he took off a Jap in ww1 or Uncle Dougs rabbit gun means absolute zero to the hoods and the street scum who have been practicing the art of preying on the naive for a long time now .
agreed. look at the LA riots after Rodney King, when those folks thought they could get away with looting, "revenge" on Korean businesses, and all sorts of street violence. The police weren't far off but that didn't prevent the riots. What happens when that is happening in many or all big cities? And the riots go on for days, weeks, months? Those cities are at best a couple of weeks before they run out of food and when those people get hungry, watch out.
Just depends what happens. Rodney King was a specific event in a local area. I think it will be a more gradual slide towards something like the great depression....which wasn't full of raging gun battles. If your plan is to barter with a gun barrel...good luck. There is always somebody who is a better shot, with better training and more ammo. If you expect a perpetual mad max type of environment then of course you wouldn't plan on bartering.
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