big pharma fraud

Tricky Grama · #21 10/12/13, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by watcher

As I said you lumped them all together. Which ones do you want to see shut down?

If you check you will see that the industry is completely and totally controlled by the government.

That's the way life and medicine works. Just about every drug out there will kill and/or inure X percentage of its users. Every surgery will kill and/or inure X percentage of the people its performed on. Know anyone with heart problems who take Coumadin, Jantoven, Marevan, Lawarin, Waran, or Warfant? Do you know what it is? Its RAT POISON. Would you knowingly take rat poison? A lot of people do because big-pharma has shown taking it in the right doses can keep a lot of people alive.

wharton · #22 10/15/13, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

As I said you lumped them all together. Which ones do you want to see shut down?

You specifically stated that others here want an entire industry shut down for "one or two cases". You really think that systemic fraud of the industry is limited to statistically insignificant percentages?

If you check you will see that the industry is completely and totally controlled by the government.

That is rich. Want to take a moment to find the truth. Maybe start with the famous revolving door that exists between the FDA and big Pharma. See how many of these folks leave senior positions in the FDA then immediately end up at Pharma, guiding new product through the pipeline. Lobbying, twisting data, seeking exemptions........ Keep dreaming about an industry that is totally controlled by anything but profit.

That's the way life and medicine works. Just about every drug out there will kill and/or inure X percentage of its users. Every surgery will kill and/or inure X percentage of the people its performed on. Know anyone with heart problems who take Coumadin, Jantoven, Marevan, Lawarin, Waran, or Warfant? Do you know what it is? Its RAT POISON. Would you knowingly take rat poison? A lot of people do because big-pharma has shown taking it in the right doses can keep a lot of people alive.

Your command of the obvious is laudable. The issue is how often pharma know that they are going to do harm and is willing to look the other way in order to maximize profit.

Wow, talk about singing the company song, good job Grandma and watcher.

How Do I · #23 10/15/13, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

Want to figure out the difference between a patient and a pharma rep. waiting to see the doctor? It's easy.

Reps wait? haha Around here they just walk in like they own the joint and fill up the freebies to get people hooked, er, I mean feeling all betters.

Yvonne's hubby · #24 10/16/13, 03:47 AM

How can big pharma get away with selling products that they know might be harmful to some patients?!?! Probably the same way other big companies get away with selling peanut butter which everyone knows can be quite deadly to some consumers, or automobiles, known to cause thousands of deaths and injuring many more every year. Maybe its because most folks understand that sometimes the good outweighs the bad.

JV_FL · #25 10/16/13, 03:53 AM

Because if what you are doing is believed by the masses to be "helping" the people and "for the good of society", people look the other way from the issues.

Yvonne's hubby · #26 10/16/13, 04:00 AM

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Because if what you are doing is believed by the masses to be "helping" the people and "for the good of society", people look the other way from the issues.

Yep, and those silly masses.... they are absolutely convinced that saving and extending hundreds of thousands of lives is better for society even if the drug has bad affects on those 20 who have poor reactions to it. TSK TSK!

JV_FL · #27 10/16/13, 04:15 AM

I didn't say it had a problem with it. I was saying how companies can get away with bad behavior.

Yes, there will always be people that are affected by certain drugs where 99.999% of people are not. Not a big deal to you unless you are the .001%.

What you put into your body has consequences.

Tricky Grama · #28 10/16/13, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wharton

You lead a pretty shelter little existence if you think the balance is, "one or two cases" of fraud by the pharmaceutical industry, VS. shutting the industry down. First, the industry had more power than most of us can even conceptualize, so shutting them down isn't even a remote possibility. Second, they have no soul, and carefully weight every moved based on the almighty coin. As in, this proposed product will kill and/or injure X percentage of users, it will take X number of dollars to litigate the problem away, and we will have a long term revenue stream of X dollars as a result. You are just a statistic to them. You might benefit tremendously from their products, or you may suffer greatly. As long as the money keeps flowing, they couldn't give a rat's butt hair.

I'm just gonna say, don't lump 'em all into this category. AK is right when he says more are helped than not. Millions more.

Tricky Grama · #29 10/16/13, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by How Do I

Reps wait? haha Around here they just walk in like they own the joint and fill up the freebies to get people hooked, er, I mean feeling all betters.

Some can 'walk right in' to the sample closet...re-stock it. This doesn't mean they get to take up the doc's time.
If you are 'hooked' on a anti-hypertensive, for instance, usually you'll die w/o it. So, yeah, guess you're hooked.

Just want to say, I resent being told that I sing the co. song. I have plenty bad to say about the industry, been in it for 20 yrs.

unregistered358967 · #30 10/16/13, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by wharton

At one point a local family physician told me, "Tramadol.............. burn that name in your brain and NEVER let anybody give it to your wife, it WILL cause violent seizures". A few months ago a back specialist tells her that he cannot recommend surgery for her horrific back pain, but will give her something that works great.....you guessed it. Well we argue for a few minutes that it would be inappropriate to prescribe to a head injury victim. He disagrees and claims that I am overreacting.

I'm happy you're such a good advocate for your wife. Please take some time if you have it, and make sure her medical records indicate there's an allergy or at the very least an intolerance to tramadol. It's something that should be recorded and any good doctor would know that. More and more clinics/hospitals are moving to EMR (electronic medical records) so it's made it easier for that kind of information to follow a person around. A medical bracelet may also be a good idea if she doesn't already have one.

watcher · #31 10/16/13, 03:13 PM

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Wow, talk about singing the company song, good job Grandma and watcher.

I 'sing the company song' because w/o "big pharma" I would have died several times over in my life time.

I 'sing the company song' because w/o "big pharma" at least one of my kids would have died in childhood.

I 'sing the company song' because w/o "big pharma" many of the people I'm around every day would not be alive today.

I 'sing the company song' because I've seen how the medical industry works/worked in nations where it was government controlled.