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Old 10/06/13, 04:17 PM
 
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we were in Afghanistan already when it was debated in congress.

Iraq has been a media circus since the 1980's long before DS I.
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So Bush did it wrong with the debates and votes in Congress about going into Afghanistan and Iraq? Not a whole lot of Opsec leading up to two invasions.
I think that what farmerj was saying is that Delta Force, and Seal Team 6, in the past have been entirely under the radar. We are now Politicizing them. It's been done before, and I think it should stop.

I believe that any operation that JSOC commands should never see the light of day. Not because I don't think the American People should know what American Operations accomplish, but the opposite. Our Enemies should not know our capabilities. Leave them in the dark. Let them face a Rakkasan in combat, and form their own opinion.
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I think that what farmerj was saying is that Delta Force, and Seal Team 6, in the past have been entirely under the radar. We are now Politicizing them. It's been done before, and I think it should stop.

I believe that any operation that JSOC commands should never see the light of day. Not because I don't think the American People should know what American Operations accomplish, but the opposite. Our Enemies should not know our capabilities. Leave them in the dark. Let them face a Rakkasan in combat, and form their own opinion.
He explained it well. I got it and understand and agree with his position ( and yours)
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to a point rakkasan,

The operations are operationally totally different.

Afghanistan and Iraq were both long term, strategic initiatives. You are NOT going to hide them in any way shape or form.

A simple (comparatively) operation to go snatch and grab a couple of people occurs and is over before much can be done about it.
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My statement is directed at the fact that LITTLE was said and is said about this operation.

Compared to the pomp and circumstance around a possible Syria strike against Assad for his chemical weapons attack.
Why would anyone want to announce, that there was a SEAL operation, in progress?

It's not a big deal now, because it's not that big of deal. Capture/take out some bad guys, Therese's plenty more our there.

Syria was a possibly missile attack on an entire country.
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Old 10/07/13, 05:34 AM
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Are these Seals going to end up dead.
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I could be wrong, but this has been going on since our inception. I'm not sure which president it was (one of the first three maybe) that sent the navy to wipe out Somali pirates. I don't think there was war declared there.
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Are these Seals going to end up dead.
That is what I am afraid of. The mission was not a success.

I fear for the Army Rangers, Delta Force who captured the terrorist in Libya too.
Why identify these branches of special ops? They are supposed to be secret.
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So now he's a Somali? Is he still a muslim? I'll admit that I haven't gotten any of those lying emails lately so I don't know what to think.

Too bad the seals can't swing by the Capitol on the way home and capture the 535 terrorists who are destroying the country.
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I think that what farmerj was saying is that Delta Force, and Seal Team 6, in the past have been entirely under the radar. We are now Politicizing them. It's been done before, and I think it should stop.

I believe that any operation that JSOC commands should never see the light of day. Not because I don't think the American People should know what American Operations accomplish, but the opposite. Our Enemies should not know our capabilities. Leave them in the dark. Let them face a Rakkasan in combat, and form their own opinion.
So we take out, Osama bin Laden and keep it on the "QT"?

Special ops successes (and failures) are just as important news (and yes political) item, as anything that ever happened on a conventional battlefield, IMO.
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to a point rakkasan,

The operations are operationally totally different.

Afghanistan and Iraq were both long term, strategic initiatives. You are NOT going to hide them in any way shape or form.

A simple (comparatively) operation to go snatch and grab a couple of people occurs and is over before much can be done about it.
And they are entirely different than what was discussed as regards to Syria. The sad thing is, rather than honoring the bravery and heroism of the personnel who carried out these missions to defend and protect us, some want to make it all about partisan politics.
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Special ops successes (and failures) are just as important news (and yes political) item, as anything that ever happened on a conventional battlefield, IMO.
no, they are not a news or political item.

There are times "things that go bump in the night" are needed and that security should never be undermined.

The fact that we know that we have a seal team 6, Delta Force, Green Beret is suffice.

They are not a headline item. Operational Security demands that their capabilities and methods not be disclosed.
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So now he's a Somali? Is he still a muslim? I'll admit that I haven't gotten any of those lying emails lately so I don't know what to think.

Too bad the seals can't swing by the Capitol on the way home and capture the 535 terrorists who are destroying the country.
Remember this was in retaliation for the mall attack in Kenya .We are the world police dept .
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According to everything I've heard on the news it was a bungled attempt . The leader they were after supposedly wasn't there & they don't know who they killed if anyone . Sounds like they barely escaped with there skins & Kerry is bragging about it .
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no, they are not a news or political item.


The fact that we know that we have a seal team 6, Delta Force, Green Beret is suffice.

They are not a headline item. Operational Security demands that their capabilities and methods not be disclosed.

Lol

Much of the world was either thrilled or angry Obama announced the hit of Bin Ladin.

I must have been the only person to see the Hollywood movie "Act of Valor"
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I have worked with SEAL and SF teams. We supported them in Kosovo.

They have earned the reputation they have for reasons. I'd rather they remain anonymous. After the riots we had in 2004, their operations were blown and they had to start things all over again from scratch.
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I've always thought some of our larger involvements could have been taken care of more surgerically with one of these teams, rather than the whole armed forces and in the news events.
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maybe sometimes you find something so viscious and festering you are willing to risk a lot of stuff to cut it out...
So if we have some terrorists in our country, are we okay if a foreign special ops team comes and attacks here?

Why would we object to that, but expect every country on earth to accept our attacks?

And by the way, how many more decades is this war on terror going to last? I suppose it will be like the war on poverty and the war on drugs and the war on............

We create the terrorists by meddling overseas, and then we have to have another war. Why can't we leave them alone?

The only good thing is that we have lots of money to spend.
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So if we have some terrorists in our country, are we okay if a foreign special ops team comes and attacks here?

Why would we object to that, but expect every country on earth to accept our attacks?

And by the way, how many more decades is this war on terror going to last? I suppose it will be like the war on poverty and the war on drugs and the war on............

We create the terrorists by meddling overseas, and then we have to have another war. Why can't we leave them alone?

The only good thing is that we have lots of money to spend.
I would expect any foreign govt operating on US soil to get approval and cooperation from our govt before undertaking any action. I would also exprct our govt to handle the situation without foreign intervention. According to various media reports, the Lybian govt gave their approval for the raids in their country. We recognized the current Somali govt in January and pledged to support their efforts and the efforts of the African Union in suppressing the role of terrorists operating out of Somalia. Seems like we gave some support. I have no problem leaving them alone. When they stop doing things like attacking American citizens shopping in a mall in Kenya, I'd be happy to leave them to their own devices.
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So if we have some terrorists in our country, are we okay if a foreign special ops team comes and attacks here?

Why would we object to that, but expect every country on earth to accept our attacks?

And by the way, how many more decades is this war on terror going to last? I suppose it will be like the war on poverty and the war on drugs and the war on............

We create the terrorists by meddling overseas, and then we have to have another war. Why can't we leave them alone?

The only good thing is that we have lots of money to spend.
So, it's useful to compare the U.S. with 3rd world toilets, like Libya, or Somalia?

Pretty sure, if another country asked for terror suspects here in the U.S., we would gladly arrest them - in a heartbeat - with every available LE force. That's how it works here.

Not so, in nightmare countries like Somalia, that has not even had a real government in 20 years, "ruled" by whatever group of war lords, that can fire first.

The war on terror, if we can possibly remember, was started on 9/11. They have hated us for decades, so "meddling" is almost a moot point, any more.

The war on terror will end, when the terrorists, decide to end it - not before.
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