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Starbucks - No Guns please
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Also: Where is 'open carry' legal in the U.S.? |
Legal to open carry here.. They have monthly get togethers in this area at Starbucks... Not often I see people in this area open carrying, but I have seen a few that do... I don't for the simple fact it's too crowded around this area, and all the self serving in this area get all twitchy about it and cause you problems.. like calling the cops.. CCW is much easier..
BTW... Different maps for different kinds of open carry... http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=101 |
Private business can set the standards they want. People can choose to support it or not.
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Starbucks said they will ask not to bring them, but they won't ask you to leave if you do, so long as it's legal in the state..
Personally,. I feel safer around a person open carrying.. tells me that more than likely, they are pretty stable and I won't need to worry about getting shot by them.. . |
Open carry is legal here . I do it in warm weather and conceal in cold weather.
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The reason people feel unsettled or disturbed by people carrying weapons is because not enough of us are doing it on a regular basis. We need to be asserting this right and desensitizing other people to it so they don't freak out.
Maybe over time it will wake up a few zombies. |
I've open carried around WV, but in this really crowded area I'm in now, it's just not worth all the headaches.. but you're danged skippy I CC...
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Who doesn't want a $4 cup of coffee? :rolleyes:
It's a publicity stunt, IMO but is another good reason not to go there |
Add Starbucks to Buffalo Wild Wings on the list of places I used to patronize but won't anymore!
My DH is a cop, he always carries. Even when he's off duty, if he sees a crime in progress anywhere in our state he's REQUIRED to attempt to stop it. You bet your butt he always has at least one gun on his person! |
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Alabama and I've seen in it in West Virginia
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I find it interesting that in WV it's not real common to see someone open carry.. yet they all love their guns there and are one of the most open lawed gun states...
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Some of the Starbucks customers sound like some of the HT members who don't want to see the politics forum.
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LOL... Myself, I like seeing people carry.. It sure sends out a message to the thugs..
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So it's not only the firearms they don't want in their coffee shops, it's also the discomfiting people who feel the need to display firearms that they don't want in their coffee shops. Starbucks is such a huge business they won't miss the minority of customers who refuse to patronize them because of the new rule and Starbucks will have achieved it's purpose, which is to get rid of both the discomfiting customers and their firearms. In all likelihood their 'no guns' rule will attract many more new customers than what they would lose. |
In all likelihood . . .
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they will now have to raise their prices to offset those lawsuits that are sure to come, when there is another massacre in one of their gun-free coffee shops and some smart legal beagle figures out that "if" their client's had been able to carry and defend themselves or others . . . they wouldn't be having this costly litigation! :hammer: Put me on that jury . . . |
Funny, I'm most relaxed and comfortable out in public when I am carrying. ~shrug~
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Seem his point is pretty moot anyway.
I never see anyone "open carry" a weapon anywhere, unless in some LE or Military uniform. Barely even see it at gun shows or visiting sporting good stores It's "politically incorrect" and will likely draw scrutiny, so most likely opt for a CCW and call it good. |
Starbucks used to be well known as a place friendly to gun carriers, which I always thought was strange because it seems like a place liberals like to hang out. They're just responding to the majority of their customers.
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When I moved to AZ, before all this so call "waiting period" came about, you could go into a grocery store, buy a loaf of bread, gallon of milk, pound of hamburger. Stop at another counter and Buy a pistol and holster strap it on and continue shopping. |
Trying to walk that slippery slope along the edge of the razor.
Before this ends . . . someone's going to get cut and it won't be pretty. |
That memo actually seems pretty dern reasonable to me.
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I think places like Starbucks is just the beginning. Now that a big company like that is taking a stand, the next time there's a massacre there will probably be other big companies following in the footsteps of Starbucks and other companies like them setting precedents for the "no guns" rule. With each mass slaying incident that happens, more and more big businesses will be standing up and saying "No more guns allowed on our premises." If there's a lot of resistance from those that insist on carrying firearms into business and public premises then eventually those "no gun" businesses will start enforcing the rules rather than relying on people to be on their honour and comply out of respect. Then businesses all over the country will go with the no tolerance approach and start putting up scanners at their entrances that detect firearms and set off alarms. Suddenly there will be a huge demand for firearms scanners and the scanner manufacturing industry will become a booming business. See, people might feel they have the constitutional right to bear arms but there's nothing in the constitution that says businesses are forced to do business with firearms carriers or allow them on the premises. Who will get cut? All the people who carry guns into public places, criminals and non-criminals alike. I think it's going to be inevitable until such time as the wheat (mentally stable law abiding people) has been separated from the chaff (criminals and mentally unstable people). |
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But no I'd not say more than reasonable... I'd say that they don't want to be caught in the middle of a cultural battle. It's bad for business and they are making clear that they are here to do business. I'm not offended because they are advised specifically not to confront anyone and to just try and keep out of it-- they don't want their business politicized it makes them uncomfortable and I understand. ETA: Of course businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone they want to for whatever reasons they want--- but notice that I don't see anyone sane trying to shut down Starbucks because of this but they will rip you a new one when the old one worked just fine should you say you'd rather not bake a cake for two chicks getting married. Gods forbid you express your right not to do business with someone in that direction. |
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I already find the price of their ordinary, average coffee to be unsettling enough. Guns 'n Memos are not enough to make me care to return or stay away.
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Except as you pointed out: "See, people might feel they have the constitutional right to bear arms but there's nothing in the constitution that says businesses are forced to do business with firearms carriers or allow them on the premises." Just pointing out that people on one side of the fence go for blood when you try and say you can't be forced to do business with certain people for any reason. |
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You can't open carry in MD.. unless you get one of their non existent permits...
It is a crime to wear or carry openly any rifle or shotgun with the intent or purpose of unlawfully injuring any person. It is unlawful for any person without a permit to wear or carry a handgun, openly or concealed, upon or about his person, or to knowingly transport a handgun in any vehicle traveling on public roads, highways, waterways or airways or upon roads or parking lots generally used by the public. This does not apply to any person wearing, carrying or transporting a handgun within the confines of real estate owned or leased by him, or on which he resided, or within the confines of a business establishment owned or leased by him. [3] http://www.usacarry.com/maryland_con...formation.html Don't let that intent part of the first line fool you.. You can't carry period.. you will be arrested.. Maryland also does not honor any other state's concealed permit.. I've looked into their laws hard since I transport guns through the state to our farm. I've also got a very good friend there that has a C&R license so he's real up on the laws and I get the newest changes fro him when ever laws change.. He's spent many hours and days testifying at the state capital and speaking at rallies in the state for change.. |
You're living in a fool's paradise . . . (otherwise known as
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Canada.) And that dog won't hunt on this side of the border. There are far and away more gun owners (and those who value and respect our 2nd amendment rights,) than those who don't. Your wished for scenerio, while touching in it's naivety, lacks a certain something. Let's ponder that a moment and reconsider what you've just proposed. . . . oh yeah, it will NEVER happen! Even if you managed to get a majority of businesses to go along with it, the only time those sensors and alarms might be going off, is if some 'criminal' or nar'do well, violated that company's policy and carried onto the premises. If such happened, it would only be because he (or they) are planning to use them in that "gun-free" zone. And likely as not, they will succeed in their plans, as the law-abiding former gun carriers will no longer be patronizing those establishments . . . having boycotted them when said companies implemented their myoptic and short-sighted policy. Of course it is their right to make whatever foolish decision that their stockholders will allow, but in the end, the bottom line is usually all that matters. If it is in the red (whether from a bloodbath of progressives or simply declining sales from former patrons, now boycotting and/or employees and current customers who now, are no longer safe) makes little difference to investors, who are loosing money. So dream on . . .because it will likely become a nightmare for some. |
Open carry is legal in Ohio but if you carry inside several city limits you will get to know the local cops quite well.
When dh and I were in Alaska we saw several people carrying firearms. It didn't worry me in the city but when we were out hiking it freaked me out a little. Supposedly the bears are that bad. |
Not necessarily . . . . some things take time before someone
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else (like a lawyer), recognizes both a cause & effect, as well as opportunity knocking. Interesting how you described these "killing zones" . . . excuse me, the politically correct term is gun-free zones, as a MASSACRE. What exactly, is your definition of a massacre? And who exactly, is responsible for it? Only the shooter(s)? How about those who put in place those restrictions, that enable those who wish to do harm to as many others as possible with little danger to themselves? Are the victims also not to blame for allowing others to decide their fates? Should not they be allowed to at least decide whether they wish to protect their own lives or depend on the nanny state to do so? It would appear that those so-called 'regressives' who know what is best for the sheeple, should at least be held as accountable as those who have pulled the trigger. Because BOTH have blood on their hands! |
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I wonder why the flip-flop? A few weeks ago we purposely went into our local SB because there was some mom group saying they were going to boycott.. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...group/2681203/
A man came in with a gun and lots of ammo..looked like Rambo totally out of place in MN suburbia, but honestly it didn't bother me one bit... |
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I have seen a lot of people carry them in the Monongahela National Forest wilderness though. |
By the way this morning on the news the Starbucks guys said it was not because they hated guns but because there had been a lot of conflict between gun owners and anti gunners in the stores.
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In my town (in OHIO) I can get any size coffee:coffee: that I want for $1 at McDonalds. They do not care what I carry open or concealed or both.
I became aware of Starbucks pricing policy for coffee:coffee:, before I ever thought about paying them a visit. I can't do that here anyway the per capita income in my county will not support a Starbucks. It would be necessary for me to drive to the next county to even get to a Starbucks. So I have never done that. Did I miss anything?:coffee: |
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