Starbucks - No Guns please

painterswife · #**101** 09/27/13, 10:25 AM

What I find interesting is, the same people who are all for this kind of stunt are the same people who get upset when same sex couples kiss in public trying to get across their position.

simi-steading · #**102** 09/27/13, 10:34 AM

I could care less about who kisses who.. but I'm not a believer in "making a point" with a shotgun or AR n a coffee shop.. Now you want to wear an open holster with a handgun in it.. more power to you.. I've done it.. and I also will cover it up and carry it.. but come on...

There is a difference between responsible gun handling and ownership and being irresponsible..

wyld thang · #**103** 09/27/13, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by simi-steading

I do have to admit.. standing in front of the counter with a shotgun posed in front of you is a REALLY stupid stunt.. Yeah.. of course that's going to flip people out..

I love my guns.. and I got a BUG (black ugly gun) or two, but it's not a gun you sling over your shoulder and take to the coffee shop... I myself find that over the edge...

I've been quite a few places here in VA just outside DC where people commonly open carry.. but they don't make a show of it... I was at Denny's up the street one day.. Mom Dad and Son all had their Glocks on.. and weren't making a deal of it... Just sitting and eating... I thought it was pretty cool.. Now had they of pulled them out and posed for pictures, then I would have lost all respect for them...

Whether you are for or against guns, sadly it's the people to the extreme ends of the curves that ruin it for everyone.. .

for all the stuff we're smoking out here in the PNW, this is pretty much the thinking...don't be an overbearing boor, as presented in the two links I posted above. oh yeah, and be capable with your tools, for real.

beowoulf90 · #**104** 09/27/13, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

If they had just walked into Starbucks with pistols holstered on their hips, then it would have been within the realm of responsible gun ownership. Instead, some gun owners were unholstering their weapons and posing for photos with their friends that made it appear that they were Dirty Harry or Rambo.

I thought I'd provide a few visuals:

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/br...starbucks-day/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24142085

http://pistol-training.com/archives/8604

First link, has a couple with an AR in one picture (his hand is forward of the trigger and he is holding it by the magazine /magazine well and 2 guys with their pistols in a vehicle (not in Starbucks) Note: the sliding window latch behind them. Yes they have Starbucks coffee in their hands..

None of them are being unsafe. they are using the proper trigger protocol/safety.
I fail to see the "Dirty Harry" pose in these.

2nd Link, a video of a man with an AR across his back as he enters a Starbucks. I didn't have the sound on so I don't know what is said.. I can't tell from the video if he had the breech open or a safety plug in it.
But again I don't see the "Dirty Harry" pose

3rd link, first picture with 1 guy who has what appears to be a muzzleloading percussion rifle. The guy sitting in the background has a rifle but I can't tell what it is from the picture.
2nd picture has a guy holding a shotgun, while it may be inappropriate, it isn't irresponsible, he is using a safe trigger protocol and has it pointed in a safe direction. This last one is the only one that could even be consider close to the "Dirty Harry" pose. As to the links blogger, that is one persons opinion.

So from the 4 pictures and 1 video only one could even be considered close to the dreaded "Dirty Harry" pose.

Oh and watch the Rambo stuff. I portray a Captain of a Civil War Unit (45th PVI Co. K). The original Captain's name was Ezekiel Y. Rambo.

Rambo is an old Swedish name that is/was popular in Chester and Lancaster Counties, PA

DEKE01 · #**105** 09/27/13, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by painterswife

What I find interesting is, the same people who are all for this kind of stunt are the same people who get upset when same sex couples kiss in public trying to get across their position.

nothing like interjecting complete bigotry into the conversation.

How about all the photos I've seen of Starbucks gun toters had white people. Maybe they all are Klansmen too?

Would you care to cite any evidence you have other than your own prejudiced opinion that these people's opinions on open carry (radical though they may be) are also anti-gay?

beowoulf90 · #**106** 09/27/13, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by painterswife

What I find interesting is, the same people who are all for this kind of stunt are the same people who get upset when same sex couples kiss in public trying to get across their position.

See my previous post as to gays, because you would be wrong..

Now I do consider it inappropriate to show too much PDA, ie groping, sex etc.. but then I don't care if they are gay or straight. There are just something better left in the bedroom/living room etc out of the public's eye.

But then maybe you don't mind watching that at Starbucks (in this case)

If I want to watch porn, I'll rent a video or surf the web

painterswife · #**107** 09/27/13, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DEKE01

nothing like interjecting complete bigotry into the conversation.

How about all the photos I've seen of Starbucks gun toters had white people. Maybe they all are Klansmen too?

Would you care to cite any evidence you have other than your own prejudiced opinion that these people's opinions on open carry (radical though they may be) are also anti-gay?

You may not like my opinion and maybe I should have said " many of the same people" but I stand by my observations and my opinion. Yes I was a bit broad in my statement, sorry for that.

CraterCove · #**108** 09/27/13, 12:09 PM

I am really sick of people calling me racist or anti-gay when I am not. It's stupid and shows a lack of integrity and basically tells me you don't have anything useful to say. If you want to make broad, insulting assumptions about people don't be surprised when they do the same in return.

wyld thang · #**109** 09/27/13, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

First link, has a couple with an AR in one picture (his hand is forward of the trigger and he is holding it by the magazine /magazine well and 2 guys with their pistols in a vehicle (not in Starbucks) Note: the sliding window latch behind them. Yes they have Starbucks coffee in their hands..

None of them are being unsafe. they are using the proper trigger protocol/safety.
I fail to see the "Dirty Harry" pose in these.

2nd Link, a video of a man with an AR across his back as he enters a Starbucks. I didn't have the sound on so I don't know what is said.. I can't tell from the video if he had the breech open or a safety plug in it.
But again I don't see the "Dirty Harry" pose

3rd link, first picture with 1 guy who has what appears to be a muzzleloading percussion rifle. The guy sitting in the background has a rifle but I can't tell what it is from the picture.
2nd picture has a guy holding a shotgun, while it may be inappropriate, it isn't irresponsible, he is using a safe trigger protocol and has it pointed in a safe direction. This last one is the only one that could even be consider close to the "Dirty Harry" pose. As to the links blogger, that is one persons opinion.

So from the 4 pictures and 1 video only one could even be considered close to the dreaded "Dirty Harry" pose.

Oh and watch the Rambo stuff. I portray a Captain of a Civil War Unit (45th PVI Co. K). The original Captain's name was Ezekiel Y. Rambo.

Rambo is an old Swedish name that is/was popular in Chester and Lancaster Counties, PA

aw come on, you know no self respecting Gun Pride activist can resist one swagger. I would expect nothing less. (truly, said with affection!)

painterswife · #**110** 09/27/13, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CraterCove

I am really sick of people calling me racist or anti-gay when I am not. It's stupid and shows a lack of integrity and basically tells me you don't have anything useful to say. If you want to make broad, insulting assumptions about people don't be surprised when they do the same in return.

I at least have the integrity to admit my mistake when it is pointed out to me. Maybe you should give people the benefit of the doubt and ask them if they meant something before you call them stupid.

wyld thang · #**111** 09/27/13, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CraterCove

I am really sick of people calling me racist or anti-gay when I am not. It's stupid and shows a lack of integrity and basically tells me you don't have anything useful to say. If you want to make broad, insulting assumptions about people don't be surprised when they do the same in return.

Just to keep things straight. um, I mean on point, neither me nor Painter directed our observations either towards or citing a "CraterCove".

CraterCove · #**112** 09/27/13, 12:16 PM

And? You are making broad and baseless accusations, I don't see you directing your statements towards anyone specific when you decide that second amendment or open carry supporters are also anti-gay people. So you have no point and you are just trying to be dismissive and insulting.

wyld thang · #**113** 09/27/13, 12:20 PM

Painterswife you made no mistake. But you are gracious.

Just remember, the lady doth protest too much.

painterswife · #**114** 09/27/13, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CraterCove

And? You are making broad and baseless accusations, I don't see you directing your statements towards anyone specific when you decide that second amendment or open carry supporters are also anti-gay people. So you have no point and you are just trying to be dismissive and insulting.

I had a point. It was that many of the people that think this stunts of of open carry like this with Starbucks are fine but it is not fine for others to do the same thing because it is not something they condone, as in same sex relationships which are also protected by the constitution. I am very dismissive of people with those attitudes. It has nothing to do with what I believe in regards to gun rights just how many of them think stunts are fine for them but not others.

painterswife · #**115** 09/27/13, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wyld thang

Painterswife you made no mistake. But you are gracious.

Just remember, the lady doth protest too much.

I did make a mistake. I spoke to broadly. I however should have been asked if i really meant it before I was tarred and feathered.

wyld thang · #**116** 09/27/13, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CraterCove

And? You are making broad and baseless accusations, I don't see you directing your statements towards anyone specific when you decide that second amendment or open carry supporters are also anti-gay people. So you have no point and you are just trying to be dismissive and insulting.

Decide? I can name names quote HT posts etc which all participants here know full well, but I wont' because that sort of behavior is frowned on by the board. Even though it's merely posting the facts and information forum members have posted in a public forum.

So what else is there to contribute to the issue besides the victim card?

(last gasp in a dying argument: you're mean! you're stupid!)

CraterCove · #**117** 09/27/13, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wyld thang

(last gasp in a dying argument: you're mean! you're stupid!)

I agree with that^ so why are you doing it?

wyld thang · #**118** 09/27/13, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by painterswife

I did make a mistake. I spoke to broadly. I however should have been asked if i really meant it before I was tarred and feathered.

sorry

but you ARE gracious, a good example
thank you

wyld thang · #**119** 09/27/13, 12:43 PM

Martian Chick, thanks for the links to the opinion pieces I posted above. I hope those that are across the spectrum will have a read and a good consider and realize all us Gun Pride folks aren't...you know.

The question is WHAT really is at stake? same thing as my question of "really? your God is so weak you need a satan to keep you on your toes?"

DEKE01 · #**120** 09/27/13, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danaus29

Open carry is legal in Ohio but if you carry inside several city limits you will get to know the local cops quite well.

When dh and I were in Alaska we saw several people carrying firearms. It didn't worry me in the city but when we were out hiking it freaked me out a little. Supposedly the bears are that bad.

I understand completely. A bear with a gun is very scary.