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08/25/13, 12:18 PM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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There is a solution to this kind of problem. It involves gunfire. 
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As opposed to due process?  You might just change your mind on that solution when it is you who is accused.
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08/25/13, 12:26 PM
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Maybe he was just really good at standing his ground.
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More than likely HE just hasn't run up on anyone that is really good at standing their ground. Stay tuned.
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08/25/13, 01:19 PM
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As opposed to due process?  You might just change your mind on that solution when it is you who is accused.
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I said nothing about eliminating due process.
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08/25/13, 01:32 PM
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I vote that we cut off both his hands immediately without more process of any kind except maybe antibiotics in case the knife is not sterile
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08/25/13, 02:03 PM
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The police can arrest you for anything...multiple arrests can and do often arise from a single incident...unless a person is convicted of a crime, they are not a criminal..  I like it this way..
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08/25/13, 03:16 PM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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I said nothing about eliminating due process. 
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True, but it sorta appeared that way to some of us. Perhaps you could expound upon your solution a bit further in the interest of clarity.
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08/25/13, 03:22 PM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by bostonlesley
The police can arrest you for anything...multiple arrests can and do often arise from a single incident...unless a person is convicted of a crime, they are not a criminal..  I like it this way..
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It is odd though how one can become labeled as a criminal by the community by simply being accused. Innocence and guilt have little to do with public opinion. Ever notice how the headlines glare in bold letters when the "culprit" is caught.... but news of the acquittal is reported in small print on page 3 of section d.
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08/25/13, 03:34 PM
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True, but it sorta appeared that way to some of us. Perhaps you could expound upon your solution a bit further in the interest of clarity.
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Man "A" takes a job as a bouncer, and the process begins. Some jobs call for tools, in this case a .357 Magnum should work for the bouncer.
Now along comes man "B" who stabs the bouncer. Man "A" then shoots man "B", and kills him. Problem solved, and gunfire would have been used.
That's the "due" process. If one stabs someone then he is "due" the consequences.
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08/25/13, 04:01 PM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by edcopp
Man "A" takes a job as a bouncer, and the process begins. Some jobs call for tools, in this case a .357 Magnum should work for the bouncer.
Now along comes man "B" who stabs the bouncer. Man "A" then shoots man "B", and kills him. Problem solved, and gunfire would have been used.
That's the "due" process. If one stabs someone then he is "due" the consequences. 
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Yes, in a case of self defense, gunfire can be effective, and often results in getting the right guy. There are very scant details in this case however as to who the attacker was. It very well could have been the man arrested, the one with the long rap sheet, or maybe not. Could it have been that the police arrested this guy who may have had nothing to do with it simply because they knew about his "criminal history"? hard to say at this point. I would like to know more about the details, like when was the man arrested? at the scene? or later, while he was at home? Are there witnesses who can positively identify him?
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08/25/13, 05:07 PM
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Yes, in a case of self defense, gunfire can be effective, and often results in getting the right guy. There are very scant details in this case however as to who the attacker was. It very well could have been the man arrested, the one with the long rap sheet, or maybe not. Could it have been that the police arrested this guy who may have had nothing to do with it simply because they knew about his "criminal history"? hard to say at this point. I would like to know more about the details, like when was the man arrested? at the scene? or later, while he was at home? Are there witnesses who can positively identify him? 
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No doubt that we do not have all the details. However one thing is certain, the police would never ever arrest a guy just because he had a long rap sheet. That would be profiling, and we know they would not do that, because it is illegal.
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08/25/13, 05:32 PM
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Maybe he's one of Osama's sons and that's why he keeps getting away with the long rap sheet.
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08/26/13, 09:37 AM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by edcopp
No doubt that we do not have all the details. However one thing is certain, the police would never ever arrest a guy just because he had a long rap sheet. That would be profiling, and we know they would not do that, because it is illegal. 
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Right!
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09/02/13, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bostonlesley
The police can arrest you for anything...multiple arrests can and do often arise from a single incident...unless a person is convicted of a crime, they are not a criminal..  I like it this way..
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You like it this way until some freak fresh out of prison kidnaps, molests, and murders one of your kids. Until some druggie blows your husbands face off while robbing your house. Or perhaps your opinion will change when your store gets robed for the 20th some-odd time. Almost all by the same method, an air vent that cannot be locked, required by fire code. So you hot-wire the vent in the hope that stop them, and when one of them is found dead inside your store, in the morning, hanging from the air-vent well fried, and it's family gets to sue you and gets more than stupid could have stolen.
There are groups to protect the "rights" of the poor little criminal. Perhaps you are one of their numbers; I have know way of knowing. Do they ever think of the child he tortured and murdered?
God set up the system we now call nature, and nature gets rid of her rotten apples. Are we now smarter than God? We put them in storage until the closet is full. House-cleaning, they are put back out on the street, and they do it again. (Gee...I wonder why?)
I disagree with your opinion!!! Our Ill-legal system is in desperate need of repair!! The police-farce cannot function, not because all the men are bad, though some are, but because the laws protect the crooks, child molesters and murders. Make it easier to convict, bring back capitol punishment, and make the executions public. People young and old will think twice about breaking the rules, after watching the crows peck the eyes out of someone that did!!!
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09/02/13, 08:08 AM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by I_don't_know
You like it this way until some freak fresh out of prison kidnaps, molests, and murders one of your kids. Until some druggie blows your husbands face off while robbing your house. Or perhaps your opinion will change when your store gets robed for the 20th some-odd time. Almost all by the same method, an air vent that cannot be locked, required by fire code. So you hot-wire the vent in the hope that stop them, and when one of them is found dead inside your store, in the morning, hanging from the air-vent well fried, and it's family gets to sue you and gets more than stupid could have stolen.
There are groups to protect the "rights" of the poor little criminal. Perhaps you are one of their numbers; I have know way of knowing. Do they ever think of the child he tortured and murdered?
God set up the system we now call nature, and nature gets rid of her rotten apples. Are we now smarter than God? We put them in storage until the closet is full. House-cleaning, they are put back out on the street, and they do it again. (Gee...I wonder why?)
I disagree with your opinion!!! Our Ill-legal system is in desperate need of repair!! The police-farce cannot function, not because all the men are bad, though some are, but because the laws protect the crooks, child molesters and murders. Make it easier to convict, bring back capitol punishment, and make the executions public. People young and old will think twice about breaking the rules, after watching the crows peck the eyes out of someone that did!!!
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You do make some valid points. While I am all for cleaning up our judicial system, and making absolutely sure we have the right guy prior to punishment, once a person has been convicted of a violent crime, that person should no longer be a threat to society. I also agree that there are a few too many ways a guilty person can avoid justice. One that has bugged me for years is the "inadmissible evidence" nonsense. Physical evidence should always be admissible in court. If a cop oversteps his bounds collecting said evidence.... penalize the cop for his crime, do not set another criminal free! As to the prison overcrowding, that problem could easily be remedied.... execute all violent offenders, and set free those who have committed victimless crimes, leaving us having to deal with only those inmates whose crimes actually caused harm to others, but mostly via paperwork, with out the use of force. The con artists, bad check writers and their ilk. Let them make small rocks out of big rocks for a while, (12 hours a day, 7 days a week, foul weather and fair, double time for holidays) and I am pretty sure most of them will "rehabilitate" themselves.
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09/02/13, 10:32 AM
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I have to suppose, without much in the way of hard facts, that if the bouncer got himself stabbed with a lethal weapon and the attacker was still alive when the police came, somebody needs to fire a bouncer and find one willing and able to keep order. people hire bouncers so they don't HAVE to call the cops. A long-neck or pool cue to the head would have been entirely justified in response to a knife attack......Joe
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