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TnAndy 08/06/13 08:42 PM

US gasoline consumption WAY down
 
Significant drop in gasoline use month over month. 2009, we were buying about 50,000 gallons a month. As of May, 2013 (latest figure on the chart ), that was down to 24,378.

Wow. That is a HUGE drop, and I doubt better gas mileage is the cause for most of it.

Things like this are hard figures that point to the real state of the economy and the "recovery".

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...A103600001&f=M

edcopp 08/06/13 09:12 PM

Perhaps the lack of income, combined with very high prices; has something to do with it.:coffee:

MO_cows 08/06/13 09:29 PM

Well thank goodness consumption has dropped so much or else we would be paying over $5 a gallon.

Sawmill Jim 08/06/13 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MO_cows (Post 6690226)
Well thank goodness consumption has dropped so much or else we would be paying over $5 a gallon.

Naw now the price will go up because they aint selling enough to operate :smack

Paumon 08/06/13 09:50 PM

Maybe more people are using smaller cars, and using them less often. Or maybe a lot more people are realizing that conspicuous consumption is no longer cool. Whatever the reason, I think it's great that gasoline consumption is down by so much.

Unregistered 1427921752 08/06/13 09:50 PM

Shouldn't that be 50,000 gallons per day instead of month ?

Harry Chickpea 08/06/13 10:35 PM

50,000,000+- gallons per day. Not sure I trust those figures.

Nimrod 08/06/13 11:36 PM

The chart is in thousands of gallons a day so 24,000 on the chart times a thousand gallons is 24,000,000 a day. Seems reasonable to me.

Gasoline is one of those commodities that everyone needs. You can change your consumption short term, to a limited extent, by driving less. Long term changes ,like moving closer to work, take a while to implement. This is why the oil companies can gouge the consumer. Part of me says that the price should be regulated, like it used to be, to prevent gouging but another part of me is happy that we are using less oil and supplying our Muslim enemies with less funds to attack us.

kasilofhome 08/07/13 02:02 AM

A lack of a demand due to the lack of a need as a resoult of no JOB might play a roll.

plowjockey 08/07/13 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kasilofhome (Post 6690419)
A lack of a demand due to the lack of a need as a resoult of no JOB might play a roll.

Unemployment, while still high, is lower than in previous years (since 07')

Gas sales are lower than right after the crash.

kasilofhome 08/07/13 03:47 AM

Unemployment and not having a job are NOT the same thing. Also SSI & SSDI is jumping. Those are also not included in the numbers for stats on unemployment

plowjockey 08/07/13 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kasilofhome (Post 6690434)
Unemployment and not having a job are NOT the same thing. Also SSI & SSDI is jumping. Those are also not included in the numbers for stats on unemployment

How is unemployed different, than not having a job?

If you retired, or became disabled, wouldn't you be consuming less gasoline, because you are driving less miles, or none at all?

bluemoonluck 08/07/13 08:33 AM

[QUOTE=plowjockey;6690469]How is unemployed different, than not having a job?/QUOTE]

kasilofhome is talking about how the govt calculates the "unemployment rate".

For example, I don't have a job. I had to quit the one I had when I moved from Utah to VA in 2011, and when I got to VA and applied for jobs I was unable to find one in my field. So I was out of work, but I didn't qualify for unemployment and I didn't show up on any of the govt's statistics - they didn't "know" that I was unemployed. Ultimately, with no job prospects on the horizon, my DH and I decided that we could afford for me to be a SAHM so I stopped looking.

Last place I worked, all employees were hired on 1-year contracts. At the end of your year, you either got a new 1-year contract or you didn't :shrug: Because the contracts were time limited, if your contract expired and you weren't offered a new one, you hadn't been fired and therefore you didn't qualify for unemployment. Several of my former co-workers tried to appeal this to the unemployment board but got shot down...so they didn't get unemployment and they didn't show up in the feds' official headcount of the "unemployed" either - even thou they were clearly out of work.

wwubben 08/07/13 11:48 AM

Why such a huge drop in one month in the fall of 2011?Unemployment would have to be nearly 50% to give these results.There is more than meets the eye here.I don't understand it.

plowjockey 08/07/13 12:11 PM

[quote=bluemoonluck;6690603]
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Originally Posted by plowjockey (Post 6690469)
How is unemployed different, than not having a job?/QUOTE]

kasilofhome is talking about how the govt calculates the "unemployment rate".

For example, I don't have a job. I had to quit the one I had when I moved from Utah to VA in 2011, and when I got to VA and applied for jobs I was unable to find one in my field. So I was out of work, but I didn't qualify for unemployment and I didn't show up on any of the govt's statistics - they didn't "know" that I was unemployed. Ultimately, with no job prospects on the horizon, my DH and I decided that we could afford for me to be a SAHM so I stopped looking.

Last place I worked, all employees were hired on 1-year contracts. At the end of your year, you either got a new 1-year contract or you didn't :shrug: Because the contracts were time limited, if your contract expired and you weren't offered a new one, you hadn't been fired and therefore you didn't qualify for unemployment. Several of my former co-workers tried to appeal this to the unemployment board but got shot down...so they didn't get unemployment and they didn't show up in the feds' official headcount of the "unemployed" either - even thou they were clearly out of work.

The unemployment rate is determined by random polling, not by unemployment compensation claims.

It's been done this way for 70 years

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

Nevada 08/07/13 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod (Post 6690368)
The chart is in thousands of gallons a day so 24,000 on the chart times a thousand gallons is 24,000,000 a day. Seems reasonable to me.

That's more like it. I've worked in refineries that made a lot more more gasoline than 24,000 gal/day. Heck, we saw more than that just in straight-run gasoline.

floyd242 08/07/13 01:30 PM

I used to order stuff online to pick up at the store or find stuff on craigslist a lot more than I do now. Now I combine trips and have stuff shipped to my house. I also bought a car with double the gas mileage of my old car that broke down. I probably use about 50% of the gas I did 5 or 6 years ago.

I really miss the road trips to yard sales saturday mornings.

kasilofhome 08/07/13 03:14 PM

[quote=plowjockey;6690882]
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Originally Posted by bluemoonluck (Post 6690603)

The unemployment rate is determined by random polling, not by unemployment compensation claims.

It's been done this way for 70 years

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm


And the answer that you are not working because you contract ran out is not counted as UNEMPLOYED--

It does not matter it people are polled by paper or phone--the fact that UNEMPLOYED are jobless due to being recently classified as an EMPLOYEE --not contractor and that they are looking for work and have been an employee recently ---an unemployee may view themself as unemployed but due to the goverment use of the word they may have timed off of the roles of unemployed. They may never have qualifed as unemployeed.

Hollowdweller 08/07/13 03:17 PM

From what I've read the MPG of cars has gone slightly up. Our poplulation has become more urbanized so distance people drive to work or store is less.

SageLady 08/08/13 02:33 AM

Well, I know why our gas consumption went down - we're retired so we don't drive much anymore, just what is absolutely necessary, and we traded our gas hog of a truck in for a small 4 cyl. engine car....

wy_white_wolf 08/08/13 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wwubben (Post 6690843)
Why such a huge drop in one month in the fall of 2011?Unemployment would have to be nearly 50% to give these results.There is more than meets the eye here.I don't understand it.

That's a 20% drop in 1 month. I'd guess there's some accounting magic in there somewhere.

WWW

kasilofhome 08/08/13 12:54 PM

Sage is not unemployed Sage is jobless ---are you getting the importance of how one qualifies to be counted as unemployed and why those numbers are scewed.

plowjockey 08/08/13 02:17 PM

If Americans are not working, apparently they are still buying automobiles.

Maybe they are saving gas, by leaving them parked in the driveway.

Consumers Push July U.S. Auto Sales Up Sharply

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GM led with a 16 percent gain in sales and an especially impressive 51 percent growth for pickups. (You can thank the booming housing market for that.) Ford sales rose 11 percent, as the company enjoyed its best July since 2006. But for Ford, all growth came within the Ford brand as Lincoln sales declined. Some of Ford’s best performers were small cars, which enjoyed their best month since 2000. Chrysler similarly reported an 11 percent year on year gain, as July sales hit a 7-year high. The results were driven in part by the popularity of Ram Trucks, the Dodge Durango SUV, and the Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Quote:

Toyota and Honda saw sales rose by 16.5 percent and 21 percent, respectively. Nissan had gains of almost 11 percent, its sales of 109,041 breaking the company record for July. Though interest rates are climbing, they're low enough that customer interest in cars remains high. Meanwhile, car companies are rolling out consumer-friendly lease agreements.
Apparently, Walmart is now not the only one hiring. :rolleyes:

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The auto industry is a major driver of economic growth in America. It’s the biggest manufacturing sector in the country and the biggest retailing sector. In June 2013, autos employed nearly 3.7 million Americans. The industry added over 100,000 jobs from June 2012 to June 2013 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...p-sharply.html

plowjockey 08/08/13 02:20 PM

[quote=kasilofhome;6691100]
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowjockey (Post 6690882)


And the answer that you are not working because you contract ran out is not counted as UNEMPLOYED--

It does not matter it people are polled by paper or phone--the fact that UNEMPLOYED are jobless due to being recently classified as an EMPLOYEE --not contractor and that they are looking for work and have been an employee recently ---an unemployee may view themself as unemployed but due to the goverment use of the word they may have timed off of the roles of unemployed. They may never have qualifed as unemployeed.

Isn't a Independent Contractor considered self-employed, which would be treated differently for the unemployment count?

Just curious.


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