The Death of Giggles
 

Your tax dollars at work:


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...d-giggles.html

I read that last night, it just infuriated me!

Somebody needs to lose their job.

This shows a waste of state money and an incredible lack of judgement...

What absolute idiots.

Hmmm, yes very sad that they killed her. But I wonder if the fawn was actually abandoned. So often wildlife rescues that don't actually know deer behaviour will think a young fawn is abandoned, when really the dam has simply left it in what-she-felt was a safe place until she returns. IMO, if the fawn isn't injured leave it be.

They were following WI state law, which is their job.

It's not a "judgement" call.

There are also probably laws, against transferring living wildlife, across state lines.(taking the fawn to a shelter in IL)

Their side of the story.

http://www.wisconsinoutdoorfun.com/a...animal-shelter

I'm sorry, but they are full of it. Past the eyeballs.

A wildlife agent has even more leeway than a police officer. He is the only officer of the court that may search your premises, without a search warrant.

This incident did not require helicopters, GESTAPO type raids or extended surveillance.

It required one, count 'em one (1) game warden to get off his dead arse and go have cup of coffee with the family and explain the law to them. If they felt the fawn could not be acclimated back to the wild, people who raise deer for a living would have gladly taken it in, and probably paid the state for it, after a reasonable quarantine period.

I bet the authorities don't put half this much effort into policing that county's meth labs.

Oh ya in WI they are very strict about not keeping deer. I know it is hard on some but that is the law, period. In fact very few places can you 'keep" a wild animal that is Native to THAT AREA. That is without the proper permits and licensing etc. Don't care how "soft hearted" a person is Leave It be.

I don't understand why they didn't just take the fawn and place it in "legal" environment. Why did they have to kill it. In Illinois you can get a permit to keep wild game including deer. We surely are becoming an over legislated society when people can senselessly do away with a life like that to enforce law.

Chronic wasting has tightened the rules in both states. This one fawn moved from it's birth area could have caused the death of many hundreds of deer. They think this problem started in captive deer and elk! The blame in this story is with the people that picked up the fawn in the first place. I hope they were notified about the fate of the fawn so they are never tempted to do such a foolish thing again.

How many reasons do people need before they realize that the taxes that are confiscated weekly out of their paychecks, are financing chaos?
Cut off the government's money and it will stop tomorrow.
Simple problem, simple solution.

DH used to work at West Point, they had one doe who would 'hide' her fawn amongst the seatign for the summer concerts. People would call the MP's thiking she was abandoned- a few tried to take her to the base vets. It got to th epoint where they would publish a little article about it every spring hoping people would get the point. Nope.

As for the shelter they knew what they were doing was illegal and with CWD it is pretty dangerous to move live deer out of their regions. I don't understand people anymore they have no animal sense

The second they moved the fawn it became contraband. Transporting contraband across state lines is a violation of the lacy act and a BIG deal.

It isn't about the law it is more an issue of the over use of man power and other resources.
Jim

If they spent that much effort on humans illegally entering the US we would be in much better shape. I guess a baby deer is much easier game.

Well for one thing the WI DNR is a long ways form the Southern Border of the US.

They may be a long way but that doesn't seem to stop them from being 1.8% of Wisconsin population. They are over 4% of the population in Illinois. I suspect the percentage is much higher in Chicago alone.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._by_state.html

How far down the line is it for the government to start killing puppies for being contraband?

I am so glad I do not live in a state that can afford to waste that much money, resources and time and the bad publicity. Hard to buy that much bad publicity...

Our DNR has had Loads of bad publicity. And this has been on the books for as many years as I can remember. But bad publicity? Not in WI they are so used to that it doesn't phase them one bit. And have even gotten worse in power hungry in the past few years, still doesn't affect them at all, the DNR thrive on power, they love it.

I have a nasty neighbor. One year he reported to F&W that we were keeping a wild turkey. Well, domestic heritage turkeys look just like wild ones and this was completely free and un-penned. I couldn't believe that an official drove 40 miles to where we were living just to talk to me about a loose turkey on the property. Really? How many turkeys are living around here? And you want to talk about one loose turkey? The neighbor is such a jerk.
Kit

:yeahthat: Could they not have sent in one guy to calmly take the deer out of the building? And then if law prohibits quarantine and transfer to another facility, then humanely kill it out of site of all the folks who had been caring for him? I believe in following the law, but most times there are less traumatic ways to follow the law than what was described here.

One helicopter, not copters and the DNR had been conducting aerial and ground surveillance in advance of the raid searching for an “illegally-held live captive Whitetail deer. That is just Standard Operational Proceeder in something like this. SEE what it is then send in ground support. And not knowing the law is NO Defense. KNOW your OWN state laws. Don't like it Get the laws changed. The constitution says something about States Rights. They have the Right to make laws, know them.
Want to know another WI law? During Deere Hunting. If you are Crossing a Marked Road you MUST UNLOAD your weapon before crossing, and when X Amount of feet from the center line you can Load Back Up Again. Hows THAT ONE? I think that one is still on the books have not hunted now for quite a few years.
Get Caught Poaching and you would think all heck came down on ya.
Lose your hunting "rights" lose your weapon, lose your vehicle, what ever it was that got you in the deer woods. Car, truck snowmobile, ATV whatever, plus a nice fine on top of it all.

This story serves as a good example that the old cliche' still hold true: two wrongs don't make a right.

The fawn was probably not "abandoned" by its mother in the first place. She was probably just out feeding and would have returned to it. Taking it from where she left it was wrong #1. And, even if something did happen to momma deer, as harsh as it sounds, whitetail deer are plentiful. The death of one fawn is just another day in the wild. Coyotes and foxes gotta eat, too.

The folks who took in the fawn knew good and well they were violating the laws of their state. That's why they made the arrangements to send it to Illinois. Wrong #2.

Waging a full scale law enforcement operation, surveillance for days beforehand and an over-sized "raid" to come and kill the fawn, right in front of the soft-hearted do-gooders who were caring for it, well that was just ridiculously over-zealous and a sinful waste of the taxpayers money. Wrong #3.

Big fan of the Feds at Ruby Ridge?

Or maybe you really admire this guy?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...-by-Do-001.jpg

That post is not even worth a comment. :sleep:

Ya'll couldn't agree on the smell of dung.

The moral of the story is don't keep wild animals or Occifer Obbie is gonna kill it an charge you for the cost of the bullet, overtime, and the 27 8 by 10 colored glossy photographs with a paragraph on the back of each one to be used as evidence against you.

Bleeding hearts are for the battlefield and the O.R.

I swear that some days you folks make me wish for bird flu or Captain Tripps to come thin out the herd.

You forgot the circles and arrows:happy: I will be watching the rest of this argument from the group W bench.

The funny thing is, that those that scoff at the laws (and the fools that obey them), are often the the first ones to complain, when someone does break a law, that effects them negatively.