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bridget 07/26/13 03:52 PM

Ariel Castro
 
He has agreed to a deal of life plus 1000 years for what he did to those girls. I'm not for the death penalty often but in this case I think life won't bring back what he did to them, what he took from them. This is a tough one.

plowjockey 07/26/13 04:12 PM

What's tough about it?

The damage to the women, has already been done. How he is punished, won't change that fact.

Either way , he won't do it again.

sss3 07/26/13 04:24 PM

A c
 
Death, Death, Death. He shouldn't be in prison; with tax dollars going to support him. I think I read it takes $11.000 to support a prisoner each year. He's not worth it. I don't take what I've said lightly. I rarely support the death penalty. In fact this is only the second time in my life; that I can remember. The first time 2 men killed 2 little girls. They did, so they could spend life in prison. They liked that 'three hots and a cot' mentality. That state, at that time, didn't have the death penalty. I'm angry.

Nevada 07/26/13 06:18 PM

This plea deal isn't about punishing him. A murder conviction was never going to be easy to get against him anyway. It was pretty well agreed from the start that he would stay behind bars for the rest of his life, and that's what's going to happen.

This sentence was all about not punishing the victims. With the plea deal the victims won't have to face him in court and relive the crimes. It also saves millions for a trial.

Nevada 07/26/13 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra Spiess (Post 6677068)
Death, Death, Death. He shouldn't be in prison; with tax dollars going to support him. I think I read it takes $11.000 to support a prisoner each year. He's not worth it.

In the first place, maximum security prisons cost more like $30,000/inmate/year. But there are significant legal hurdles that need to be crossed to execute someone. The State of Florida spent $7 million to put Ted Bundy in the chair, and that was nearly 30 years ago. Figure no less than $10 million in legal fees to execute this guy, and that's assuming they can get the jury to go along with execution. At $30,000/year you can hold a man in prison for 30 years with $1 million. It's always cheaper to keep someone in prison for life.

Ambereyes 07/26/13 06:57 PM

IMO he should be put in general population. Let him defend himself against men.

FunnyRiverFarm 07/26/13 10:25 PM

I think he should be housed with a gorilla that's been fed nothing but viagra for a month.

GarlicGirl 07/26/13 10:48 PM

I have no problem with a life sentence in order to spare those girls enduring a trial. Personally, I think a life sentence is harder in many ways than death. He can think about why he is there every day knowing every day will be more of the same.

Riverdale 07/27/13 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevada (Post 6677184)
This sentence was all about not punishing the victims. With the plea deal the victims won't have to face him in court and relive the crimes. It also saves millions for a trial.

Hokey Smokes, Bullwinkle, Nevada and I agree on something! :heh::p

tarbe 07/27/13 12:30 PM

Yup, gotta say it. I agree with Nevada!

That actually felt kinda good. There is hope for mankind after all! :shocked:

bridget 07/27/13 02:34 PM

I wonder if he will be put in with the general population.

I hope so.

farmrbrown 07/27/13 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada (Post 6677191)
In the first place, maximum security prisons cost more like $30,000/inmate/year. But there are significant legal hurdles that need to be crossed to execute someone. The State of Florida spent $7 million to put Ted Bundy in the chair, and that was nearly 30 years ago. Figure no less than $10 million in legal fees to execute this guy, and that's assuming they can get the jury to go along with execution. At $30,000/year you can hold a man in prison for 30 years with $1 million. It's always cheaper to keep someone in prison for life.


All true.
But sometimes the simpler (and cheaper) solution is right in front of your nose.......

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Originally Posted by Ambereyes (Post 6677241)
IMO he should be put in general population. Let him defend himself against men.


Yvonne's hubby 07/27/13 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada (Post 6677191)
In the first place, maximum security prisons cost more like $30,000/inmate/year. But there are significant legal hurdles that need to be crossed to execute someone. The State of Florida spent $7 million to put Ted Bundy in the chair, and that was nearly 30 years ago. Figure no less than $10 million in legal fees to execute this guy, and that's assuming they can get the jury to go along with execution. At $30,000/year you can hold a man in prison for 30 years with $1 million. It's always cheaper to keep someone in prison for life.

How much of that seven million to execute Bundy would have been saved had we not sent him to his maker? Those courtrooms had to be paid for, and so did the salaries of everyone involved whether they were being expended for his case or not. I would hazard a guess that it actually cost less than a hundred bucks to fire up the generator and fry him. It is NEVER cheaper to keep a prisoner incarcerated for more than 12 hours than to simply shoot them and be done with it.

Yvonne's hubby 07/27/13 07:08 PM

Ok, I voted for "other". A deal is a deal, the man plead guilty so we really should follow through with our "deal" and let him live out his life in prison. I also think that should be a fairly short sentence.... it shouldnt take long for him to die of natural causes once he is locked down in a very small air tight cell.

beowoulf90 07/29/13 07:06 AM

Well I voted for Other..

I agree Life + 1000 years is fine, but we should make sure he has a "boyfriend" named Bubba who abuses him and rapes him the same way he did to the 3 women we know of.. In fact why not 3 "boyfriends".. That lowlife needs to pay the price he gave the women.. Sorry I have no sympathy for scum like him and think he should suffer the same fate he dealt...

Of course he can always die to get out of the punishment...

Lazaryss 07/29/13 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada (Post 6677184)
This plea deal isn't about punishing him. A murder conviction was never going to be easy to get against him anyway. It was pretty well agreed from the start that he would stay behind bars for the rest of his life, and that's what's going to happen.

This sentence was all about not punishing the victims. With the plea deal the victims won't have to face him in court and relive the crimes. It also saves millions for a trial.

Nevada, I don't think I have ever agreed as wholeheartedly with you as I do at this moment. I'm scared!

Karen 07/30/13 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby (Post 6678232)
How much of that seven million to execute Bundy would have been saved had we not sent him to his maker? Those courtrooms had to be paid for, and so did the salaries of everyone involved whether they were being expended for his case or not. I would hazard a guess that it actually cost less than a hundred bucks to fire up the generator and fry him. It is NEVER cheaper to keep a prisoner incarcerated for more than 12 hours than to simply shoot them and be done with it.

But thank God this is America where we have a legal process where we just can't line them all up and shoot them. A legal process that enable us to have fair trial, even if our trial was unfair to begin with.

Although it doesn't appear to work for the true criminals, surely the lives it saves of those who are actually innocent surely is worth those we that do get a pass.

I for one would rather have a legal system that is flawed, as opposed to one that has no structure and where we just execute people at the drop of hat without further examining their case.

AngieM2 07/30/13 09:57 AM

General population and on a hard work detail everyday, no air conditioning, no tv etc. Work, sleep, eat and watch his back.

Yvonne's hubby 07/30/13 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen (Post 6681105)
But thank God this is America where we have a legal process where we just can't line them all up and shoot them. A legal process that enable us to have fair trial, even if our trial was unfair to begin with.

Although it doesn't appear to work for the true criminals, surely the lives it saves of those who are actually innocent surely is worth those we that do get a pass.

I for one would rather have a legal system that is flawed, as opposed to one that has no structure and where we just execute people at the drop of hat without further examining their case.

I too believe that we should be sure we have the right feller prior to the execution, that part has never been up for question in my mind. My point to Nevada was that its much cheaper to shoot the buggers, (once they have had their due process) than it is to incarcerate them for 20, 40, or maybe 60 years. This is particularly true in cases like this one, we have the right guy, He was caught in the act, and he pled guilty to avoid the death penalty. What possible purpose can it serve to feed, clothe, house, provide medical care for him for the next umpteen years?

chickenmommy 07/30/13 08:18 PM

I agree with you YH--AND I disagree. Here's why I'm torn: I'm a mom. I agree that we know for a fact he did it. It's stupid to spend any money on ANY of it. The whole court song and dance should be null and void in this particular case and the biggest expense should be the bullet that kills him. BUT, the only person that will suffer for that is his family that love him. They have been punished by his actions, should they be punished by his death also? That has to be the mom in me coming out, I'm generally not a very soft person.

Yvonne's hubby 07/31/13 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by chickenmommy (Post 6681802)
I agree with you YH--AND I disagree. Here's why I'm torn: I'm a mom. I agree that we know for a fact he did it. It's stupid to spend any money on ANY of it. The whole court song and dance should be null and void in this particular case and the biggest expense should be the bullet that kills him. BUT, the only person that will suffer for that is his family that love him. They have been punished by his actions, should they be punished by his death also? That has to be the mom in me coming out, I'm generally not a very soft person.

I dont think the family would be punished anymore by his death than they are by having him spend the rest of his life behind a steel door. As a matter of fact it may actually be easier on them to have some closure. I am also quite certain that the victims and their families would benefit from the same closure.

Bret 07/31/13 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AngieM2 (Post 6681151)
General population and on a hard work detail everyday, no air conditioning, no tv etc. Work, sleep, eat and watch his back.

I feel that many Americans already live this way on the outside. Granted, it is different.

davel745 07/31/13 12:49 PM

I am amassed that all it took for us here to agree on something was one of the worst crimes of the millennium. Way to go folks. But maybe it is a start lets try to agree on more things.

AngieM2 07/31/13 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret (Post 6682420)
I feel that many Americans already live this way on the outside. Granted, it is different.

That is precisely why a criminal should not have it better than poor working people do.

Mooselover 08/04/13 03:09 AM

i'm so confused...at what point do we, as a society, just say 'i've had ENOUGH!!!' he gets jail??? what the hell does it take for a person to executed in this country? if this ain't IT...what is??? i am sooo miffed. can someone PLEASE explain to me why this person should not be just DEAD..NOW!!


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